Specs/details on the R 1200 R:
OverviewStandard EquipmentAvailable EquipmentAccessoriesSpecificationsEngineDrivetrainFrame & SuspensionBrakesWheels & TiresDimensions
Chrome Exhaust Pipe
$135.00
Electronic Suspension Adjustment (ESA)
$800.00
Heated Hand Grips
$235.00
Tire Pressure Monitoring (TPM)
$260.00
On Board Computer (without Oil Level Warning)
$225.00
Windshield Sport
$210.00
Clear Turn Signal Lenses(from Feb. 07 based on LED technology)
$50.00
Anti - Theft Alarm
$235.00
Integral ABS II
$1,040.00
Center Stand
$120.00
ASC (Automatic Stability Control, in preparation)
$365.00
Saddle Bag Mounts
$135.00
Seat - Low (30.3 inches)
N/C
Seat - High (32.7 inches)
N/C
$13000 plus this for a 1200????? Dont get it?
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solitario11
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$13000 plus this for a 1200????? Dont get it?
Rafael
R1150R k4
V-STAR 1100 k6
Valley Cottage NY
R1150R k4
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Valley Cottage NY
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peterbulgar
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I think that your point is that it's a lot of money for an R. I visited my dealer this weekend and admired a new R1200R (black) on the floor. It was similarly equiped to the one you describe, and with destination and set-up charges added was just over $15k - and that didn't even include system cases or luggage rack. If you want to dance to the music, you've got to pay the piper.
Two things:
The days of the R as the entry level twin, low-profit, get-people-into-the-BMW-experience bike are over. That function has been taken over by the new F800 series, assuming that they come in under $10k. Boxer twins have a high cost of production and BMW has been eating the declining value of the dollar vs. the Euro for years, and those factors have finally been adjusted. It was nice while it lasted.
In other news the days of the R as the do-everything bike are also over - its new role is street sportster standard, or something like that. I outfitted my R1150RA with a windscreen, cases, luggage rack, and lower pipe because I wanted to go touring and didn't want to lug around all the plastic of a RT when I wasn't on a long trip. The smaller gas tank on the new R, the low-slung mud-collecting oil cooler behind a scimpy front fender, and the fact that a center stand is optional indicates to me that BMW feels that if you want to go touring, an RT or GS is a better tool for the job. They may be right about that.
Peter '73 R75/5, '04 R1150RA
Two things:
The days of the R as the entry level twin, low-profit, get-people-into-the-BMW-experience bike are over. That function has been taken over by the new F800 series, assuming that they come in under $10k. Boxer twins have a high cost of production and BMW has been eating the declining value of the dollar vs. the Euro for years, and those factors have finally been adjusted. It was nice while it lasted.
In other news the days of the R as the do-everything bike are also over - its new role is street sportster standard, or something like that. I outfitted my R1150RA with a windscreen, cases, luggage rack, and lower pipe because I wanted to go touring and didn't want to lug around all the plastic of a RT when I wasn't on a long trip. The smaller gas tank on the new R, the low-slung mud-collecting oil cooler behind a scimpy front fender, and the fact that a center stand is optional indicates to me that BMW feels that if you want to go touring, an RT or GS is a better tool for the job. They may be right about that.
Peter '73 R75/5, '04 R1150RA
I agree with Peter, My local dealer had an open house this past weekend and they had some of the new 1200's there including the R and it too was over $15000. It had ABS but no luggage. I think they are trying to make it more of a sporting naked bike. It looked nice and I am sure it can outperforms the 1150, being lighter and more powerful but I have no desire to "upgrade", especially for that price. Plus I like the look of the 1150 better! the 1200 lost some of the character or uniqueness (some might say the ugliness, but I would disagree)peterbulgar wrote:I think that your point is that it's a lot of money for an R. I visited my dealer this weekend and admired a new R1200R (black) on the floor. It was similarly equiped to the one you describe, and with destination and set-up charges added was just over $15k - and that didn't even include system cases or luggage rack. If you want to dance to the music, you've got to pay the piper.
Two things:
The days of the R as the entry level twin, low-profit, get-people-into-the-BMW-experience bike are over. That function has been taken over by the new F800 series, assuming that they come in under $10k. Boxer twins have a high cost of production and BMW has been eating the declining value of the dollar vs. the Euro for years, and those factors have finally been adjusted. It was nice while it lasted.
In other news the days of the R as the do-everything bike are also over - its new role is street sportster standard, or something like that. I outfitted my R1150RA with a windscreen, cases, luggage rack, and lower pipe because I wanted to go touring and didn't want to lug around all the plastic of a RT when I wasn't on a long trip. The smaller gas tank on the new R, the low-slung mud-collecting oil cooler behind a scimpy front fender, and the fact that a center stand is optional indicates to me that BMW feels that if you want to go touring, an RT or GS is a better tool for the job. They may be right about that.
Peter '73 R75/5, '04 R1150RA
ken k
Red 2003 R1150R
peterbulgar wrote:Boxer twins have a high cost of production and BMW has been eating the declining value of the dollar vs. the Euro for years, and those factors have finally been adjusted. It was nice while it lasted
Yes, BMW motorcycle production expenses are high in Germany due in part to high Union labor costs, retooling every several years (remember the cruiser line) and dollar vs. Euro. BMW motorcycle production has never been very profitable for the Germans---it's the lucrative automobile side of BMWAG along with industrial generators and marine goods production that's keeping German bankers smiling. It might be said that for years BMW motorcycle production in Germany was considered to be a tax write off.
Granted, the Germans built a high quality motorcycle, I've owned several, but then so do Japanese motorcycle companies. Somehow the Japanese can offer quality entry level motorcycles to us at well under $10,000. Harley Davidson is in the game with the Sportster line at well under $10,000. Even Korean motorcycles are now being imported to the USA.
BMW on the other hand kills the street version of the F650, discontinues the value proven R1150R, closes dealerships, loads up the R1200R with pricey needless gimicks covered in drab paint colors and promises the F800 to the general public....which is to arrive sometime in the future.
Does BMW really have a marketing plan?
I'm outta' here!
I went to to the BMF (British Motorcycling Fondation) rally a few weeks ago and rode the new R1200R.
On a side note, the liability crazy lawyers have not gotten a hold of the UK yet so all I needed was a helmet and a valid license and off I went. The BMW guy also said "I'd prefer you did not have jeans on".
The new R is fantastic. It is the eveil step brother of the current R. Fast, mean, super light feeling, cornering monster. I would never want to take that bike on a long tour. Loads of power at the cost of torque.
Great bike. Not the all rounder I was hoping for.
On a side note, the liability crazy lawyers have not gotten a hold of the UK yet so all I needed was a helmet and a valid license and off I went. The BMW guy also said "I'd prefer you did not have jeans on".
The new R is fantastic. It is the eveil step brother of the current R. Fast, mean, super light feeling, cornering monster. I would never want to take that bike on a long tour. Loads of power at the cost of torque.
Great bike. Not the all rounder I was hoping for.
Indeed, I bought an ABS Rockster for $9500 (untitled with a few miles on it). The price included cases and a tank bag. I added touring handlebars and the touring windscreen, lowered the footpegs and now I have an acceptable unfaired touring machine.
The R1200 is not the bike for that anymore. Bikes have become so expensive and so nichy that there is now a motorcycle for every purpose. BMW has made it pretty clear that if you want a touring bike, get out a bare minimum of $18,000.
The R1200 is not the bike for that anymore. Bikes have become so expensive and so nichy that there is now a motorcycle for every purpose. BMW has made it pretty clear that if you want a touring bike, get out a bare minimum of $18,000.
BMW Prices
Gee, if you don't like the prices in America, take a look at the prices in Canada. Then tack on 14% sales tax. My new 2005 R1150R ran 22K with bags, hot grips, guards, ABS, windshield, clear signal lights and taxes.
My insurance is currently 2300.00 per year. Just got a new quote for 1600.00 so I will be switching. Gas is about 4.00 per US Gallon.
Don't even think about saying "but the Canadian buck is such and such American". People here get paid and taxed in Canadian money.
The way I look at it is sure-it's expensive. But my last Beemer was running for 33 years and the guy who bought it rides it a lot.
Kind of makes the 15K that people were shocked about look a bit better, doesn't it?
My insurance is currently 2300.00 per year. Just got a new quote for 1600.00 so I will be switching. Gas is about 4.00 per US Gallon.
Don't even think about saying "but the Canadian buck is such and such American". People here get paid and taxed in Canadian money.
The way I look at it is sure-it's expensive. But my last Beemer was running for 33 years and the guy who bought it rides it a lot.
Kind of makes the 15K that people were shocked about look a bit better, doesn't it?
You americans are so spoiled. In Sweden you have to cough up $16243.65 for a R1200R and that's without the extras. (ABS and heated handles are standard however.)
The R1200R is an expensive bike, but you get alot for your money. However if you take the insurance cost into the calculation it's cheaper for me (I'm 23) to own an R1200R then it is to own a Moto Guzzi Griso or a Yamaha FZ-6.
But maybe insurance is cheap in america, I don't know.
The R1200R is an expensive bike, but you get alot for your money. However if you take the insurance cost into the calculation it's cheaper for me (I'm 23) to own an R1200R then it is to own a Moto Guzzi Griso or a Yamaha FZ-6.
But maybe insurance is cheap in america, I don't know.
Born for burning.
Here's another
BASE 12600
Chrome pipe 135
Heated grips 235
On-board computer 225
Sport screen 210
white signal lenses 50
Integral ABSII 1040
Center stand 120
Saddle bag mounts 135
Destination 425
MSRP 15715
Chrome pipe 135
Heated grips 235
On-board computer 225
Sport screen 210
white signal lenses 50
Integral ABSII 1040
Center stand 120
Saddle bag mounts 135
Destination 425
MSRP 15715
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solitario11
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My point is
when you ask that kind of money for naked bike, then I will shopped around and take a closer look at the competition! like the 912, speed 3 and so on. it cross my mine this summer to sell my R but I am keeping my baby for ever.
Rafael
R1150R k4
V-STAR 1100 k6
Valley Cottage NY
R1150R k4
V-STAR 1100 k6
Valley Cottage NY
Pfff
The price of the new R1200R has no logic in it. Think twice before buying it. You guys are better off getting either a R1200GS, S, RT or the K bikes because their prices are correct and logical. The R1200R is just too bland, way too bland for 15k to 16k. Stay with your R1150R, it's a better looking bike. Stick with your Rockster, it has personality.
Nutty rider!
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Slipstream
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What Cleveland dealership do you use--Sills, or the Aurora dealer?Brownw3 wrote:I will also add that this, within constraints has always been true. BMW=expensive. I do believe you get a superior machine for your money but if you want to play, you have to pay.
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God, Family, Country, BMW...in that order.
2003 R1150R in Piedmont Red
2003 R1150R in Piedmont Red
Sure, if you want to impress someone. But for that $18K you can buy a GL1800, ST1300, FJR 1300 or Kawasaki Concours, have some $$$$ left over and expect to FIND A DEALER IN EVERY STATE.Brownw3 wrote:The R1200 is not the bike for that anymore. Bikes have become so expensive and so nichy that there is now a motorcycle for every purpose. BMW has made it pretty clear that if you want a touring bike, get out a bare minimum of $18,000.
I'm outta' here!
BMW may drive potential buyers away from the boxers, to the F800,
if the price structure is going to continue this way.
Out here, we are looking at around $14,500 base price for the F800S when it arrives, versus around $20,000 for a base R1200R.
I dont plan on selling my 1150R, but if I did, I will be seriously looking at the F800, when you get a 100% positive rave from the magazines on it.
With the police force out here attempting to save all our lives by stopping us from speeding, the F800 will have ample power to tour on, and buy a lot of petrol for the $5,000 odd difference.
if the price structure is going to continue this way.
Out here, we are looking at around $14,500 base price for the F800S when it arrives, versus around $20,000 for a base R1200R.
I dont plan on selling my 1150R, but if I did, I will be seriously looking at the F800, when you get a 100% positive rave from the magazines on it.
With the police force out here attempting to save all our lives by stopping us from speeding, the F800 will have ample power to tour on, and buy a lot of petrol for the $5,000 odd difference.
2002 R1150R.