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Advice please : "sluggish" engine performance

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I'm not sure how odd this is but....

Symptom: '04 rockster, 24K on the clock has started (just this morning) to be "sluggish" in the engine performance department. it's most noticable in rolling on from any revs and when engine braking - I would say the engine braking has become more noticable by roughly 20%.

History: I do roughly 115 mile a day during the week, with some riding at weekends as well, so the bike can easily do over 2,000 miles in a month.

Bike used to wear a Remus Y-piece and Ti Can, which I removed roughly 10 days ago for several reasons: The UK MOT test is due this month, the can was getting rather loud, and the welds on the Y-piece were mostly gone.

Bike has always been dealer serviced until the 24K which I performed last weekend (All filters, All oils, All plugs, Valves, TB balance). I'm pretty sure I did everything ok, valves were mostly ok, I did adjust one (upper RHS inlet) but only because I wanted to re-familiarise myself with the process. I'm not totally sure that I balanced the TBs very well though - I seemed to need to move the BBAS on the LHS out (unscrew) a LOT before it would balance with the RHS which wasn't very far out. I also didn't take the bike for a 5 min ride beforehand so although it got hot as I was tinkering, it wasn't at "riding temperature" when I started.

I built myself a manometer using 3-in-1 oil and (possibly erroneously) put a pair of taps in the hoses, I'm thinking that these taps may have led to incorrect readings as they restrict the air-flow through the hose.

Question: Could the "sluggish" performace be due to the TBs being quite badly balanced?? given that I've done something like 250 miles since I did the procedure, surely I'd have noticed it beforehand??

Question: What else could cause this? bad fuel? restricted air flow? (bird in the tube??), Coil failure?

Question: Had anyone else had the bike suddenly go sluggish for no apparant reason? What was the cause?

If enough right fist is used the bike will still get up to high speeds, but it's a touch slower, and far more right fist than usual is needed. (Not sure if it's relevant but I chased my brothers VTEC VFR out of London last night and the Rockster was running fine then).


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Mine went like that last month, wouldn't pull uphill, hesitant at 3k adn bugger all above 5. Air filter sorted it but you've done that. Is the pipe blocked? Mouse nest? I fitted a wire mesh guard over mine now cos the filter box had twigs, bees and god knows what else in there.
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Look at the post about plugcap/coils. Similar symptoms. Try the check of removing each plug cap in turn to see if it makes any difference.
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Make sure the coils are secure on the plugs.

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Post by iowabeakster »

Good advice above, in addition I would definitely do that TB synch again. I would be safe and recheck the valves also.

If the bike was doing fine before the service, and you made some siginficant changes to the TB and did some fiddling with the valves, and now it runs poorly? I would have to check those things.

I can't explain why there would be a "delayed" effect to these changes. Maybe a nut did not get tightend properly and has loosened on those first few rides.
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ok - cheers guys - yup - have been wondering if it might be a coil - I was going to drop all 4 plugs out again and see if one wasn't firing properly.

Beakster - another (hot) TB synch is also definitely on the cards.
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Diagnoses Took a look at the plug caps today - tried running the engine with each cap off in turn. Soon found the culprit - the main RHS cap.

Took a look at it and instantly saw the problem. The poxy pathetic DIN standard three wire connector that goes into the head of the cap/coil is broken!! :evil: From looking at the way it all goes together it's OBVIOUS that if you pull the caps off with any gusto whatsoever (which you have to in order to get the feckers to shift), there's a VERY good chance of this DIN connector being damaged. There's just no rigidity to the connection interface whatsoever.

Looks like I'll need a new cable assembly. :(

Didn't swap the caps over to see if the RHS cap itself is ok, the LHS cap is a complete BASTARD to get out so really didn't want to do it. :(


oh yeah - and where the HELL do BMW get off with that PATHETICALY BADLY DESIGNED plug cap removal tool?? It's actually been made in such a way that putting tension on the hook OPENS the jaws holding the plug cap!!! :shock: :? :?: :evil: :x :roll:

Is there a proper workshop tool that can be bought to remove the caps decently????
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riceburner wrote: oh yeah - and where the HELL do BMW get off with that PATHETICALY BADLY DESIGNED plug cap removal tool?? It's actually been made in such a way that putting tension on the hook OPENS the jaws holding the plug cap!!! :shock: :? :?: :evil: :x :roll:

Is there a proper workshop tool that can be bought to remove the caps decently????
It's complete crap isn't it.
This simple mod makes it work a lot better.
Just cut a bit of rigid plastic, thin metal, whatever you have handy, a bit longer, 1-2mm max, than the gap between the two indents on the inside of the thing and clip it in there. Stops you compressing the handle when pulling which is the cause of it opening up in the first place.
I can get them out easily with this one as it never slips off anymore. If you get the length just right you don't need to glue it in there, it stays trapped.

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chris wrote:
riceburner wrote: oh yeah - and where the HELL do BMW get off with that PATHETICALY BADLY DESIGNED plug cap removal tool?? It's actually been made in such a way that putting tension on the hook OPENS the jaws holding the plug cap!!! :shock: :? :?: :evil: :x :roll:

Is there a proper workshop tool that can be bought to remove the caps decently????
It's complete crap isn't it, as you say, pulling on it opens the damn thing up! This simple mod makes it work a lot better.
Just cut a bit of rigid plastic, thin metal, whatever you have handy, a bit longer, 1-2mm max, than the gap between the two indents on the inside of the thing and clip it in there. Stops you compressing the handle when pulling which is the cause of it opening up in the first place.
I can get them out easily with this one as it never slips off anymore. If you get the length just right you don't need to glue it in there, it stays trapped.

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Clever :)

I did similar tonight by looping a cable tie around the central bar, thus pulling on the cable tie has the effect of causing the jaws to close. :)


ANyone know if the wire to the plugs is a seperate piece of the loom, or is it new wiring harness time???
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I'd have expected you to be able to just replace the plug. In an ideal world...it has to be removable, it went on there in the first place!
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riceburner wrote:Is there a proper workshop tool that can be bought to remove the caps decently????
http://www.ascycles.com/detail.aspx?ID=43282

I just use a pair of screwdrivers to gently pry the cap off until it's free.
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chris wrote:I'd have expected you to be able to just replace the plug. In an ideal world...it has to be removable, it went on there in the first place!
One issue with that would be the shortening of the cable, I'd have thought.

The other issue is that these DIN plugs often require a specific crimping tool to make the cable connections securely. I'll have to talk to my dealer and see what the best solution is.
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Ok, turns out the "solution" is a so called "Repair Kit" that replaces the cable from the loom to the plug cap/coil. The wire that goes to the plug cap/coil is an integral part of the loom. :(

Hopefully will have the kit by Tuesday and if it appears to be something I don't have time to do, Vines have me booked in for Saturday morning and I'll take a demo bike out while they fix it.
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Ok, so the "Repair kit" wasn't the final solution.

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Turns out one of the primary plug cap/coil was failing. Replaced it today and the bike is back to normal. :D
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