no more renegade

[Guest]

I am gone, I only came back to see if Doug had removed my name yet form the memberlist but decided to write a short note. Anyway, obviously a lot of energy was put out over a simple issue. It did help me because I understand where the majority of the posters are coming from. This forum is not for me. Too much enthusiasm about critizing others choices. I'm not sensitive about that, it's just a turn off. I was looking for a more positive experience. While there is a sense of elitism with all brand loyalists, the one thing I can say is that Harley owners don't spend the energy disecting BMWs or other brand's faults. BMWs for those of you that don't know, are not made from 24k gold. While they are engineered well, they have their faults. Those of us that ride them accept that. Just as Harley had it's faults, those of us that ride them accept that too. Just read this forum about all the issues BMWs have. If they didn't have problems this forum would not exist.

When constantly pointing the finger at others, just remember, there are three pointing back at you.



-renegade


PS BTW, Sonny Barger switched to BMW, does that mean if I ride one that I will be a bad ass biker?

[MattPie]

While there is a sense of elitism with all brand loyalists, the one thing I can say is that Harley owners don't spend the energy disecting BMWs or other brand's faults. BMWs for those of you that don't know, are not made from 24k gold. While they are engineered well, they have their faults.

Maybe you hang out with some very tolerant Harley guys. Of the 4 Harley owners I know reasonably well, 2 of them couldn't seem to fathom why I would buy a bike that didn't have a HD logo on it. And one always seemed to have something else to do whenever the rest of us went for a ride. He usually refered to my bike as "the import'.

PS BTW, Sonny Barger switched to BMW, does that mean if I ride one that I will be a bad ass biker?

I think the fact that we all hang out on a computer forum precludes us from being bad-ass anythings.

So long, renegade. I'd say we'll miss you, but we hardly even got to know you.

[ofrogg]

gimme a break... it might be time to whip out the Drama Llama...

[Gord]

Of the 4 Harley owners I know reasonably well, 2 of them couldn't seem to fathom why I would buy a bike that didn't have a HD logo on it.

Same here. I ride with three Harley riders. And all their friends who I end up riding with are Harley riders. In all honesty, they can't figure out why I don't ride a Harley. And I take some good natured ribbing about it. But to their credit, they let me ride with them. If only they knew it was really me letting them be seen with me!

*grin*

[dallara]

I wouldn't worry about it, Matt... Ofrogg...

I think GJBushman put it best in the other "Renegade" thread - the guy's motives were never about having any sort of discussion, and he didn't want any "help" as he said he did in his original thread. I hate to say he was "trolling", but...

Anyway, what he wanted was some kind of weird, distorted affirmation that "Harley's were good, good, good... and BMW's were not nearly the bikes they are cracked up to be..." or the like. You need look no further than this most recent "Bye, Bye" post of his. He is oh-so-quick to criticize this board, its members, and BMW's, but he is awfully thin-skinned when it comes to H-D's.

Best to bid him farewell, with a tip of the "lifestyle" Doo-Rag, and let him find narcissistic nirvana with the "lifestyle" crowd whose lives center around "The Motor Company"...

Wow, talk about a true oxymoron - "Harley-Davidson - The Motor Company"... Sheese!

Cheers to you, you ol' Outlaw Renegade... May you "Potato-Potato" through life and find a forum where Harley's are sacred and other riders are nothing but finger pointers.

Dallara

[ofrogg]

I wouldn't worry about it, Matt... Ofrogg...

I think GJBushman put it best in the other "Renegade" thread - the guy's motives were never about having any sort of discussion, and he didn't want any "help" as he said he did in his original thread. I hate to say he was "trolling", but...

Anyway, what he wanted was some kind of weird, distorted affirmation that "Harley's were good, good, good... and BMW's were not nearly the bikes they are cracked up to be..." or the like. You need look no further than this most recent "Bye, Bye" post of his. He is oh-so-quick to criticize this board, its members, and BMW's, but he is awfully thin-skinned when it comes to H-D's.

Best to bid him farewell, with a tip of the "lifestyle" Doo-Rag, and let him find narcissistic nirvana with the "lifestyle" crowd whose lives center around "The Motor Company"...

Wow, talk about a true oxymoron - "Harley-Davidson - The Motor Company"... Sheese!

Cheers to you, you ol' Outlaw Renegade... May you "Potato-Potato" through life and find a forum where Harley's are scared and other riders are nothing but finger pointers.

Dallara

wow, i agree with you twice in a week... this is scary.

by the way, you should check out the latest motorcycle.com sport-tourer comparo. funny read if nothing else.

[dallara]

Ofrogg said:

wow, i agree with you twice in a week... this is scary.

Well, it just goes to show you never can tell, right?

by the way, you should check out the latest motorcycle.com sport-tourer comparo. funny read if nothing else.

Will do, Owen...

Thanks!

Dallara

[queenpdog]

Somebody call a WAAAAmbulence!

[mnnden]

I have no problem with The "HD" motorcycle, IMOP the Harley - Davidson MC is a true work of art! I do, however, have a problem with the new "Harley Dude" To them it is all about image, and not a thing about the road. Just go to a rally and watch the Harleys roll off the trailers. I have several friends who ride Harleys, but they are "old school" and appreciate anything on two wheels. A couple of them even have a BMW as a back up, (I think it is the other way around, but they won't admit it).
IMOP Harleys are a great bike with a great history. Here is a pic of a beauty, was once owned by a guy named Mark, from Indiana, Den

[popgazer]

Dude Renegade: Chill a bit will ya... then you will learn something.

I think the dudes (and dudettes) on this board really tried to help you, but you know what: you didn't get it! You missed the whole point!

You came looking for help to reward and reinforce the emotional connection you like to establish with the HD culture i.e. the Renegade, Outlaw, bad ass, (fill in with your own...) culture.
You found a bunch of ladies and gentlemen who are savvy RIDERS, for whom the machine has a $price, and is there to be ridden, technically studied, put to the test and enjoyed (or not!).
I have never seen anyone here suggesting an extra-tattoo as a fix for an oil leak

[BobFV1]

Renegade -

Especially for you

[yjleesvrr]

Definitely sounds like renegade had an agenda. It might be an issue of acceptance or the need to feel wanted. Nonetheless, I hate the feeling I get when someone makes me feel like I have to work to be their friend. I walk away from those types of relationships.

Riding, type of bike, and taking part in a community are all a matter of choice.

[big papa]

Not a renegade, but more like a sheep.

[2ndM3]

I wouldn't worry about it, Matt... Ofrogg...

I think GJBushman put it best in the other "Renegade" thread - the guy's motives were never about having any sort of discussion, and he didn't want any "help" as he said he did in his original thread. I hate to say he was "trolling", but...

Anyway, what he wanted was some kind of weird, distorted affirmation that "Harley's were good, good, good... and BMW's were not nearly the bikes they are cracked up to be..." or the like. You need look no further than this most recent "Bye, Bye" post of his. He is oh-so-quick to criticize this board, its members, and BMW's, but he is awfully thin-skinned when it comes to H-D's.

Best to bid him farewell, with a tip of the "lifestyle" Doo-Rag, and let him find narcissistic nirvana with the "lifestyle" crowd whose lives center around "The Motor Company"...

Wow, talk about a true oxymoron - "Harley-Davidson - The Motor Company"... Sheese!

Cheers to you, you ol' Outlaw Renegade... May you "Potato-Potato" through life and find a forum where Harley's are scared and other riders are nothing but finger pointers.

Dallara

I couldn't agree more. I myself when was choosing a cruiser went for the Road Star, not for the HD. I went for more power, balance and refinement, not for just the brand name. What is it with the HD owners, why they keep asking people why they didn't buy the HD? I just can't get that. I mean I do, but I'm not gonna mention it. My HD guys I ride with tell me that my bike is not an HD and that I need to get one. I usually answer:"How can I do that after this bike, It would be a step down for me". Usually on that the conversation is over.
Well, now I have my Beemer and find myself enjoying it much more and I'm not even sure how this guy ended up here with his problems. He should take them somewhere else.

[Variance]

Mr. Renegade is definitely the outcast he feels he is. As a relatively new motorcycle enthusiast (14 months), and frequent reader of this fine forum, I never found the rampant elitism renegade complained of. I've found this place most accomodating, helpful, friendly and courteous. Yes, there are the occasional disagreements but those are typically well founded, if not philosophically, fundamentally.

This is the single greatest resource for R1150R Owners (or anyone interested in one) on the web today. I'm thankful to have it, and proud to be part of it. Touting of R1150R strengths or berating of squid/HD weaknesses is a matter of individual tastes of the poster. As the disclaimer goes, Opinions are those of the writer not of http://www.r1150r.org or it's staff....etc..etc.

It is sad to hear of any biker catching flak for the bike they drive. I find I'm attracted to anything on two wheels. If you've seen one Honda, you've seen them all, but I'll look anyways.

I bought my R a year after a couple buddies got HD's (a FatBoy and V-rod). They have nothing but respect for me and my bike. And I likewise towards them. I actually really like the V-Rod . It's powerful (gotta love the V twin) and smooth, but it is different. My buddy feels the same. We like our bikes & we like each other's bike. They both are great machines but are different. He likes skinny ass women with little butts. I like some curves on a woman. The list goes on.

We don't have to approve of each other's preferences, but it is essential we respect them.

[Acacia]

This is a site dedicated to a particular maker of bikes and specific models. There will obviously be a preference and emphasis - that should be 101.

Many on this board have ridden for many years- 45 years in my case, on many different makes and models - some in different part of the world too. Many on this board own and ride several different makes, including HD's. Many have another bike as their primary ride.

Ask for opinions on this board and you will get them. What you do with them, is up to you. Believe them, like them, disagree with them. Get an attitude and sulk, and you will get more opinion, probably of the kind you really will not like - as you would anywhere.

There is more tolerance on this site, in my opinion, from what I have read and those persons I have met, than in most riding communities - and in particular, from my experiuence, those in the HD culture.

There is room enough on the road for all of us. I for one, will share my patch of the road with any other rider who rides for the love of riding.

[The Kurch Man]

The majority if the people I ride with, are on HD's. Just the way it works out. Last trip down south I went on, we had my BMW, several HD's, Hondas, and a Yamaha. It was a great ride. When I went to Sturgis, it was me and 3 HDs.

I don't have any issues with what people ride and my friends and I are always messing around with what each of us rides. It's part of the fun and nobody take it seriously. If they did, we probably would not ride together.

Do I like by my bike - hell yes, or I wouldn't have it. Is it for everyone - hell no, and the same could be said with an HD (or a Gold Wing, or a Road Star, or a Busa, or a Guzzi, etc...) ... but that's the fun part of it. I've never owned an HD up to this point (Honda's and Suzuki's), and this is my first BMW.

Let's make sure we never take it that serious, where the brand becomes more important than the fact that we all enjoy the same basic thing.

[dallara]

Especially for Renegade:




And for his argument that:

Something for those of you who can't stop bashing Harley......and those that ride them.....Harley Davidson sold over 300,000 units last year...can anyone tell me how many BMWs were sold??????? 15,000 in the US and how many of those were police bikes???..my point is simple....BMW is and always will be in the minority compared to Harley Davidson.

Perhaps this says it best:




Cheers to all, and to all "Renegades", Good Night!

Dallara

[wncbmw]

Bye renegade! You'll be missed!

As I stated earlier, this is among the most tolerant of forums for "other" brand riders, since so many have ridden or still own other brands. Did not recognize the people he was describing!

[2ndM3]

Especially for Renegade:




And for his argument that:

Something for those of you who can't stop bashing Harley......and those that ride them.....Harley Davidson sold over 300,000 units last year...can anyone tell me how many BMWs were sold??????? 15,000 in the US and how many of those were police bikes???..my point is simple....BMW is and always will be in the minority compared to Harley Davidson.

Perhaps this says it best:




Cheers to all, and to all "Renegades", Good Night!

Dallara

Great second slide. I just couldn't agree more.