BMW R1200R R1150R/T F800 K1200R R1100R/T R1250R RnineT Message Board

I was looking at this info, as I was very surprized at the wieghts of the new RR and the R1200GS. All weights are "dry" & prices before options, which is a bit misleading as some bikes come with some options as standard.

R1200R 437lbs 4.6 gal $13,025
R1200S 419lbs 4.5 gal $14,725
R1200GS 439lbs 5.2 gal $14,875
R1200ST 452lbs 5.5 gal $14,925
R1200GSAdv 492lbs 8.7 gal $16,775
R1200RT 505lbs 7.1 gal $17,075

Looking at the above I notice the following:

1 - The pricing looks pretty consistent for what you are getting accross the entire boxer line
2 - The new R1200GSAdv weighs pretty much exactly what I recall the old R1150R. Shows how the weight has really been shaved off the new 1200 series.
3 - I notice everyone bitches about the weight of the GSAdv., but nobody seems to bitch about the weight of an RT. I'm beginning to look seriously at the GSAdv.

I don't know for a fact, but would not be surprised that when the R1150R was selling for $10,000 (of course the ABS in those days was a $2,000 add) that the RTs were in the $14/15K area.

I seriously doubt that it costs BMW $2,000 less to make an RR than an ST, IMHO an RR is equal to an ST with a few hundred (at BMW's costs) less in plastic.

Bottom line, the RR looks competetivly priced to me in comparison with other BMWs.

socalrob wrote:Bottom line, the RR looks competetivly priced to me in comparison with other BMWs.

Therein lies the rub. Compared to other BMWs it is true. I got my '02 R non-ABS for $9200 before taxes however because I talked the dealer down. I guess I got spoiled with a super-bargain. And I'm not sure I believe that the new R weighs less than 440 lbs. Is that with gas and fluids? My SV650 weighs about 400 lbs. with gas/fluids and it's an appreciably smaller bike that is known for efficient packaging, low weight, and extreme flickability.

Rob - where did you get those figures? I just read this morning in my R1200RT brochure that a fully fueled but unladen RT weighs 570 lbs. That's 65 lbs. more than the figure you cited.

Often dry weights are misleading because the bikes vary in the amount of fuel carried and the crankcase volume. we have to also consider transmission and final drive fluids. Often a manufacturers "dry" weight doesn't even include hydraulic fluids (clutch and brake) nor battery acid. In the case of a water cooled engine, they lack the weight of the coolant. I know those don't add up to THAT much, but they help the bike appear lighter than it really is.

Typically the magazines will have more accurate real world weights in their comparisons.

Oh, I remember the BMW literature wasn't even consistant across their own models when I bought my bike. I had a brochure for the R1150R that had one weight, and a poster for all of the models compared to each other with completely different weights.

Remember Dallera?

He & I had this discussion some time ago.

Turns out dry weight does not include THE BATTERY!

Thats got to be close to 20lbs.

All figures come from the BMW site

I still say its pretty cool that a R1200GS & R1200R weigh the same, & that a R1200GSAdv & an R1150R weigh the same.

Rob - that makes sense. I was doing the math on the R1200RT and figured that including the battery, the weight difference between "dry" and "wet" would actually come out to about 65 lbs. This is especially true given how much gas the RT holds.

I've always taken my bike down to a local truck scale to weigh it; I don't put ANY stock in ANY claims of weight unless I see it for myself. I make sure I've got a full tank of gas, and full System Cases (I can weigh my System Cases at home).

That having been said, the R1200R feels more nimble beneath me, and it's all about how the bike feels anyway......
And "Value"?
It's all about ultimately ending up with what you want, not the money you save 'settling' for something else.