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Okay, Folks.

Here's a bit more modern "Moto Mania Trivia" mount, and it's a street bike... Not one of those obscure racers from eons ago.

So it should be all too easy to identify, right? Who knows, maybe one of you guys out there owned one of these. It even has a disc brake!

So who can identify this neat looking street sled, and particularly tag it with its proper model name? Gotta' admit it is one fine looking "naked" bike...





(as before, the manufacturer and model decals and logo have been re-touched out so it is not toooooo easy... )

Cheers!

Dallara

eet's a Montesa Crono 350, circa 1975? That engine has GOT to be a Montesa


BBM

On the other hand, now that I think on it more I'm now not at all sure that it is! But maybe something that used a Montesa engine and was sold under a US brand? I can't shake that I think the engine is a Monty. I'm sure it's not a Bultaco or OSSA engine, yet I keep coming back to this thing being Spanish in origin, could-be Amal carb and left-side kickstart and all. Has to be European with that set-up. Time to go and do something else for a while....

Hey BBM....it's good to have to back on board..how've ya been......how could it be a Montesa...it's not red..

Hang on...what's that...a kick starter on the left...hmmmm?

DJ

an early "80's" Moto Morini, ???????? Den

Well, it's not a Montesa, I swear.

And it's not a Moto Morini, either...

Both good guesses as it turns out, for different reasons, but still no cigar.

I really thought this one would pretty quick...

Here's a couple of hints... The same year this came out the Soviets invaded Afganistan, Skylab fell out of orbit and streaked to earth, and the nuclear accident at Three-Mile Island occurred...

Kenny Roberts was 500cc World Champion in road racing, Dale Singleton - a pig farmer from Georgia - won the Daytona 200, and Graham Noyce was 500cc MX world champion...

Good Luck!

Cheers!

Dallara

I am ready to give-up, one last "guess" it looks like it has Yamaha in it, could it be a 1979 Sanglas???? Den

Well guys, I think it's Spanish alright (who else would do the left foot kickstart thing? - oh yes the bloody Italians!).

Pretty sure it's a "Bultaco Streaker" not at all keen on that razor edge styling myself, but it was all the rage back then.

Cheers all, Simon.

I was going to throw in Ossa for giggles, but following Simon's lead, I found a Bultaco Streaker page here:

http://www.motocra.com/bultaco/velocidad/4i.htm

Confirmation, Dallara?

Yes, indeedy gents...

It most definitely is a 1979 Bultaco 125 "Streaker"!!! (didn't you guys catch the "naked" and "streaked to Earth" hints I tossed out??? )

Here's the bike without the logos re-touched out:






These air-cooled ones were called "Model 204-A." I have no idea what the water-cooled model you found the page for, Arkline, was called. I don't think it was ever imported to the USA.

Bultaco West out in California owns the pristine example shown in the pics I posted.

Kudos to you again, Simon, for being the first to identify it!

Cheers!

Dallara

Thank you dear boy, always a pleasure.

Need to be carefull though, as Capt:Blackadder might say- "There's a fine dividing line between knowledgeable enthusiast and sad old geek".

More importantly, how are you doing on the potted history of the NR500?

We'd just got to the part where the villain had tied her to the railroad tracks.............................

No, that was something else entirely! We'd actually got to Silverstone (with a lot less effort than I did on the day, by the way - ran out of petrol, siily arse!)

Forgive my rambling on, possibly had half a glass too many with dinner tonight, sorry!!

Si

Dallara,

Apparently that link shows the Streaker as you know it modified with plumbing for water cooling:

"This unit of Streaker, one moto relatively modern, takes built-in kit of water denominated in epoca "Parabellum" and made by "Tedemo". With the power was increased in several horses, maintaining the yield."

Google speaks better Spanish than I do.

Who knew????

Thanks, Arkline...

For the translation. I knew Bultaco made a few TSS road race water-cooled bikes, but I was unaware of any street ones. Glad to know I hadn't cooked off too many brain cells!

Simon,

I have kind of decided not to continue the NR-500 saga... I honestly don't think too many are interested in it here on a BMW board (which is okay, and I can understand totally...). It is a fascinating story to me, but I already know it...

I think some may think it woould be too long, as it will take quite a bit more to tell the whole tale. Silverstone in 1979 was only the beginning in a way... So much happened in the NR's history, but so little of that made it out where it stayed on the surface. And the most interesting part is that the NR's technology isn't dead - not by a long shot...

If you don't think the FIM is still spooked by Honda's oval pistons, take a look at the current (2002 to 2006) MotoGP rules, and then look at the new ones for 2007...

Here's how they read from the FIM rule book:

2.5.1 The following are the minimum weights permitted:


- 125cc motorcycle + rider 136 kg

- 250cc 1 cylinder motorcycle 100 kg
2 cylinders motorcycle 100 kg

- Motogp 1 cylinder motorcycle 101 kg
(2 stroke) 2 cylinders motorcycle 101 kg
3 cylinders motorcycle 116 kg
4 cylinders motorcycle 131 kg

- Motogp 3 cylinders or less motorcycle 138 kg
(4 stroke) 3 cylinders or less with oval piston motorcycle 148 kg
4 and 5 cylinders motorcycle 148 kg
4 cylinders or more with oval piston motorcycle 158 kg
6 cylinders or more motorcycle 158 kg

As from January 1st, 2007, the minimum weights required in the
Motogp class will be the following:

2 cylinders or less 133 kg
3 cylinders 140,5 kg
4 cylinders 148 kg
5 cylinders 155,5 kg
6 cylinders or more 163 kg
The use of oval pistons will be forbidden.

(Of course, in 2007 MotoGP bikes get reduced in displacement from 990cc four-strokes to 800cc, and two-strokes will no longer be allowed - 500cc two-strokes up to four-cylinders have been allowed currently)

You may ask why... One of the reasons was Honda has had another oval-piston engine - a V-3 - in development for some time now. It was really interesting, too... as they way they had it laid out with respect to the rods and the crank it would not have been much wider than a parallel twin, and this would have been a wonderful advantage for reducing frontal area...

But there are other reasons the oval-piston Honda just won't die, but that's another story...

Anyway, I'm not sure I'll finish the NR-500 story... Only about three people want to hear it...

Cheers!

Dallara

Anyway, I'm not sure I'll finish the NR-500 story... Only about three people want to hear it...

Well, given voting patterns in the US, that means that the vast majority would like to have it wrapped up, they just haven't gotten around to voicing an opinion...

I dig their logo!

Check my avatar...... had a couple of Bultacos as a kid.

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