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The clear Wunderlich hand protectors were not suitable for my bike. The mirrors ended up 3" higher than standard and the levers touched them. They used the mirror mounting location and a pressed chromed-steel split clamp around the handlebars. No fasteners needed for the end of the bar.

I have now bought a universal type. This fastens to the outer end of the handlebar using an M8 screw and uses an aluminium split clamp to fasten to the bar on the inboard side of the hydraulic cylinders. I reckon I can move the wiring enough and prevent damage to the cables pipes etc. with care and slight machining of parts. My uncertainty is that I will be going through the existing mounting for the bar weight with a 10 mm longer screw. There will be no positive mechanical way of stopping rotation of the outside end of the hand guard. I'm only looking for weather protection and hope that shake- proof washers etc. between the components will prove enough for my needs. I'll check that the brakes can not get accidentally applied Anyone else tried this?

After some cogitation ,I've ordered some 40 mm stainless steel countersunk screws and various serrated and spring washers. Along with medium strength thread locking compound, I reckon I can fit the assembly securely and prevent any rotation.
Actually I have hit a few overgrown briars/brambles etc. in the hedgerows already while avoiding tractors. Well I do need an excuse for the work.

I've only used the standard BMW R-GS handguards - do you have a link to the kit you've bought??

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00L ... ge_o05_s00

With an extra few bits and pieces from my goody bin, it is in place provisionally. Not touching wires or hydraulics and looks good in a Mad Max sort of way. A bit of titivation with stainless fasteners then it should look better. Going to finally assemble with Loctite 243 as belt and braces against vibration. I've fitted the guard over the existing handlebar weights, hence I can not use the supplied internal expanding clamp to provide torsional location.

gregor wrote:http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00L ... ge_o05_s00

With an extra few bits and pieces from my goody bin, it is in place provisionally. Not touching wires or hydraulics and looks good in a Mad Max sort of way. A bit of titivation with stainless fasteners then it should look better. Going to finally assemble with Loctite 243 as belt and braces against vibration. I've fitted the guard over the existing handlebar weights, hence I can not use the supplied internal expanding clamp to provide torsional location.

you wouldn't be able to use the expanding bolt anyway - the BMW bars have fittings inside for that bar-end weight to bolt into*, and for the heated grip wiring to pass through. Hopefully your extra long bolt won't interfere with the grip wiring - it shouldn't, but IIRC the wiring does come up to the end of the bar.

* The BMW handguards fit over the bar-end weight and come with a longer bolt.

Yes, I realised that. I'm going to use 10 mm longer countersunk screws which will not get as far as the wiring. The grip wiring is well inboard of the threaded female fixing. What stops your BMW protectors from rotating around the bar end weights?
Hope to try mine out today.

gregor wrote:Yes, I realised that. I'm going to use 10 mm longer countersunk screws which will not get as far as the wiring. The grip wiring is well inboard of the threaded female fixing. What stops your BMW protectors from rotating around the bar end weights?
Hope to try mine out today.

not sure I understand - the BMW handguards are tied to the bar at both ends (of the guard). There's a clamp fitting onto the bars inboard of the reservoir, and obviously the bolt into the end of the bar.

OK -sounds as if the fixing at the end of your bar involves a flat face butted up against the flat bar end? That's how I have done it. The kit ,as supplied, has a male tang as part of the expanding bolt, engaging in a corresponding recess of the hand protector to positively prevent rotation.

gregor wrote:OK -sounds as if the fixing at the end of your bar involves a flat face butted up against the flat bar end? That's how I have done it. The kit ,as supplied, has a male tang as part of the expanding bolt, engaging in a corresponding recess of the hand protector to positively prevent rotation.

I guess - the bar-end weight goes flat against the bar-end as it always did, the hand-guard has a hole for a bolt - the bolt goes though and does up tight. Just doing the bolt up nice and tight prevents any possible rotation.

Also the clamp onto the bar inboard of the reservoir goes up nice and tight and stops rotation too.



(dont' seem to have many closeups of the bars, sorry)

I think you're over worrying about the possibility of the guard rotating tbh....

gregor wrote:The clear Wunderlich hand protectors were not suitable for my bike. The mirrors ended up 3" higher than standard and the levers touched them. They used the mirror mounting location and a pressed chromed-steel split clamp around the handlebars. No fasteners needed for the end of the bar.

I have now bought a universal type. This fastens to the outer end of the handlebar using an M8 screw and uses an aluminium split clamp to fasten to the bar on the inboard side of the hydraulic cylinders. I reckon I can move the wiring enough and prevent damage to the cables pipes etc. with care and slight machining of parts. My uncertainty is that I will be going through the existing mounting for the bar weight with a 10 mm longer screw. There will be no positive mechanical way of stopping rotation of the outside end of the hand guard. I'm only looking for weather protection and hope that shake- proof washers etc. between the components will prove enough for my needs. I'll check that the brakes can not get accidentally applied Anyone else tried this?

I have had the wunderlich clear guards for years but also with their mirrors and stalks. The only place they are connected to the bar is with the bolt that also holds the mirror. Then the metal tab can be bent slightly to set the height and of course they can be moved to pivot around the bolt to clear the levers. I did not used the mounting method they provided, just at the pivot. Has worked perfect for me. I would think that you could do the same with the stock mirrors but never tried that.
The metal tab is more than strong enough to hold the guard secure even at red line in top. IMO the guards are only for protecting the hand from rocks/debris
and rain/cold. They would not protect your hand in a crash and in fact might make it worse.

BTW I have the r1150r standard bars installed since I bought the machine in 2004.

Thanks for your experience on this great forum. The Wunderlich kit I got involved replacing the mirror with a long bolt and spacer to fix a substantial mounting frame for the plastic. The mirror then had to be mounted to the frame. I could see no scope for adjustment or more acceptable positioning of the mirrors. Because of that and other issues I returned it to the supplier.
My DIY fixing of a universal protector looks good so far. Now painted up and Loctite 243 on bolts/screws.
If I ever figure how to put photographs on this site they will appear. Any tips or links to that for the UK?

Here we are.
Just been out for a ride and got seriously fly splattered. The guards take the wind off my hands although they are not as enclosing on some of the GS ones. We'll see what they are like in bad weather.
Any extra perceived weight seemed to disappear after I got used to them and no instability was felt at speed or through a series of tight bends.

your link says "moved or deleted" is this it?

looks good.

Feel good so far and giving plenty of wind protection. Not been out in rain as yet. When riding in the Peak District twisties ,at above cruising speed, I was hit by a sudden gust of wind and there was a momentary shake of the bars. Nothing later on at similar speeds. Wondering if it is aerodynamics or heavier bars causing this?

Here in the west we get gusty and high speed winds and I have ridden east on the interstate (dual carriageway) in horrible cross winds that were gusting to 50 mph or more!
Since you are familiar with the big clear protectors from wunderlitch you know the size.

I have never had them cause any shake, but that just my experience for what its worth. Also a bunch of miles many places on this planet on GS's.

Tight grip on the bars? low tire pressure? dontknow?? But my bet is ...not the hand protectors.

:-)

Sorry for a sort of hijack, but will 1200GS guards fit 1150's? Seen a few on eBay but they seemed to have a bar end already attached?

I've had a quick look for those R1200GS protectors. It is not clear what you mean. I had done a lot of searching myself to find those universal ones I've now fitted. There are protectors suitable for the R1150GS which may be more suitable for our bike- some forum members have fitted them. Just make sure that the brake and clutch levers do not foul them .

I do not know about the 1200GS ones but the ones on the 1150GS can be fitted to the r1150 roadster and I have seen that done. They are smaller than the 1200GS type but work very well.



:-)

Thanks chaps, bought a pair of 1150 guards. There's no inner clamps with them but that shouldn't be a problem.

1150 GS guards are on ours too.