Wilbers for me.....

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Wilbers for me.....

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Some months ago Ted Porter's Beemershop had a sale on Wilber shocks and I bought a set, I was looking for after market shocks any way, it's the one improvement I done to all my bikes, and let me tell you ladies and gents a big improvement it is, the bike feels rock solid in the canyons, specially the front end, that always felt a little light for my taste.

You can't go wrong with after market shocks, Ohlins, Wilbers, Performance Works and others, I just happen to get Wilbers this time. When I place my order I talked to Ted on the phone to determine my weight (with gear on) and type of riding that I do and some other questions that he has to ask to have the shocks custom made for me, I didn't buy the "top of the line" shocks the ones with a bunch of adjustments, I thought that would it been overkill for me.

Any way here are some photos, the best part is that I did the installation my self. I never been good at writing reports so let's see how this goes.

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the stock shocks
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rear one installed
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front one installed
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stock vs aftermarket
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stock vs aftermarket front
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and naturally I had to get a rear fender to protect the rear shock, I went with Nippy Normans
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Nice looking shock eh?
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BTW now I have a pair of stock shocks for sale, they only have about 900 miles on them.

Be safe out there.

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Rudy - they look nice. How much shorter are they then stock (or more importantly - how much lower is the bike)?

One comment on selling your stockers - make that two comments on why I would suggest otherwise:

1. Stockers are very handy to have around when you send the fancy shocks in for service. They hold the wheels on the bike and let you ride it.

2. Aftermarket suspension adds about zilch value to a used bike - but aftermarket shocks will bring at least 1/2 of their new price if sold seperate from the bike. And you will have nice barely used stock suspension to put back on.

Just thinking ahead..
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deilenberger wrote: One comment on selling your stockers - make that two comments on why I would suggest otherwise:

1. Stockers are very handy to have around when you send the fancy shocks in for service. They hold the wheels on the bike and let you ride it.

2. Aftermarket suspension adds about zilch value to a used bike - but aftermarket shocks will bring at least 1/2 of their new price if sold seperate from the bike. And you will have nice barely used stock suspension to put back on.

Just thinking ahead..
Great advice! I'm about to take the plunge myself. Thanks.

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deilenberger wrote:Rudy - they look nice. How much shorter are they then stock (or more importantly - how much lower is the bike)?
Actually is about the same, I didn't order shorter/taller shocks, I'm 5'8" with a 30 inseam and I do fine, I didn't want to change the clearence on the bike since most of my riding is "canyon riding". I'm not able to flat foot at stops but I'm OK with that. In fact the only bikes I can "flat-foot" at stops are Harleys.

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I went with the Wilbers as well. After you get them on have an expert dial them in for you and you'll REALLY be happy.
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NakedRider wrote:I went with the Wilbers as well. After you get them on have an expert dial them in for you and you'll REALLY be happy.
Or DIY: http://www.eilenberger.net/Suspension/suspension.htm
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Dumb question. How would these improve/change the handling characteristics of the bike?
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sky_sailor wrote:Dumb question. How would these improve/change the handling characteristics of the bike?
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Primarily by providing better control of the bike's suspension. If all roads were totally smooth, and all curves were without undulations in them - you'd need no suspension. As soon as you start throwing bumps, off-camber curves, curves with undulations and bumps in them, you are asking the suspension to isolate the rider and mass of the bike from the changes the wheels are travelling over.

The biggest change I've always found has been comfort, followed by handling. The comfort is achieved by more closely matching the damping characteristics of the suspension to my body/bike weight combo.. and allowing for modifying this if the body/bike weight (aka mass) changes. BMW designs the bike's suspension around an ideal rider weight - which I suspect is much less then most of us old men riding the things are. When you increase the mass (weight) on the suspension (with your body weight, loaded-bike weight) the control isn't as good, and comfort suffers (primarily, and this isn't intuitive - by bottoming out of the suspension.) BMW provides minimal adjustable control to compensate - the preload adjuster and rebound adjuster on the rear shock. Used correctly - they CAN help.

Handling - also is enhanced when the mass the suspension is controlling is better controlled. Going into a turn, your suspension tends to compress.. then decompress as you come out of the curve (due to centrifigal force.) Making the compression and decompression more controlled (ie - smoother) helps moderate load forces on the tire, providing a more uniform grip and feeling of control for the rider.

Will everyone notice the difference? Probably not. I know one ex-rider, older chap, who raced a bit, did long distance riding, etc who rants and raves about all the fools spending money on aftermarket suspension. Only thing is - he never experienced a good aftermarket suspension setup for him. There are also people who are so out of tune with their bikes that any changes in handling simply go unnoticed..

This is a case of YMMV - and lots of the variation depends on how well matched to YOU the aftermarket suspension is.. either by design, or by skilled tuning of it after it's installed on the bike.
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deilenberger wrote:BMW designs the bike's suspension around an ideal rider weight - which I suspect is much less then most of us old men riding the things are.
It's 85 kg, or about 190 pounds, and a fully fueled tank — that's what "STD" is set to on the factory suspension's rear preload adjuster.
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websterize wrote:
deilenberger wrote:BMW designs the bike's suspension around an ideal rider weight - which I suspect is much less then most of us old men riding the things are.
It's 85 kg, or about 190 pounds, and a fully fueled tank — that's what "STD" is set to on the factory suspension's rear preload adjuster.
So, if I weigh about 180-190 pounds,which I do, the "STD" suspension set up should work well for me?
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sky_sailor wrote:So, if I weigh about 180-190 pounds,which I do, the "STD" suspension set up should work well for me?
That's BMW's claim, but only you can say for sure. I ride on a lot of bumpy roads and have my suspension set a bit soft (I have ESA and ride in "Comfort" mode when commuting.) Something else to keep in mind: your damping setting should match your preload setting. Check out pages 56 and 57 of the owner's manual for details. Like the spring preload on the rear wheel, the "basic" setting of damping is 85 kg. You turn a screw to adjust it.
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In the for what is worth category. I am a very pleased customer of the Beemer Shop and have them installed on my 05 K1200LT. Great product and Ted is great to work with. One word of caution. They are in CA and that adds time to orders and service work. If I had it to do over again, not withstanding my pleasure with the Wilburs, I would probably go with the Ohlins, as they are located in my state, NC. Shorter turn around. Anyway, just something to think about, depending where you live.

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