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STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:33 pm
by gezerbike
I've never been much in to putting additives into anything. I do use Stabil on the bikes that don't move in the winter time, and I have been knnown to add a little Marvel Mystery Oil back in my Airhead daze. Buit for the most part, I've considered most of this stuff as just Snake Oil. While in at my dealer the other day, we got to talking about a product the Service Manager had the parts guy bring in. Star Tron Ensyme additive, from Starbrite, who makes alot of products for boats. The Service manager, who is big into anything that has wheels and moves fast, swears by this stuff. So I received a compli mentary bottle to give it a try. I've now run a tank full of this stuff in all three bikes and I think there might be something to it......just filled the R and I got 227 miles to just a little over 4-1'2 gallons. Best mileage to date. Pretty much the same in the Stratolounger and the big GS. I just got my new Cycleworld and there is a whole page add in there about the stuff. I'm not gonna get into the whiz bang of the stuff, but rather let you read about it yourself and draw your own conclusion. But I'll be buying the big bottle of it when I run across one........

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Ethanol/E10
The Star Tron® Ethanol Story

The sale of ethanol blended fuel, commonly referred to as E-10 gas, is on the rise in the US as more states are mandating its use. Also promoting the growth of E-10 is the need to phase out the current additive MTBE which has been found to contaminate ground water supplies. E-10 gas has been in use for many years and, with smart fuel management, most of its negative issues can be resolved.

The first problems encountered with transitioning to E-10 is the loosening of sludge from the fuel tanks. Ethanol is a very effective solvent and it will attack varnish, gum, and resins - the sludge that can build up in fuel tanks. Once cleaned off the fuel tank walls this build-up leads to poor performance and frequently clogged fuel filters and injectors. The enzymes in Star Tron® will safely break down and disperse this sludge. After a filter change or two the fuel tanks will be clean and you can focus on the next, more serious, ethanol related issue.

In addition to a loss of power and economy, E-10 can cause other problems. Ethanol is hygroscopic, meaning that it will attract water from the air, which is absorbed into the gas. The water bonds to the ethanol, becoming heavier than gas and the mixture sinks, lowering the octane level and causing performance problems. This is Phase Separation. Cold temperatures will accelerate this separation. Ethanol is also a potent solvent that will loosen old gum and varnish deposits, which can darken the fuel and foul filters and fuel injectors with large particles. The mixture of ethanol, water and particles can form a gelatinous sludge layer on the tank bottom that can block filters and damage your engine. During operation, Star Tron’s® powerful enzymes allow water to be dispersed throughout the fuel as sub-micron sized droplets that are safely eliminated as the engine operates. They also slowly break down the sludge, cleaning out your fuel tank while restoring the fuel’s combustion characteristics to insure proper and safe engine operation.

In a boat, motorcycle, outdoor power equipment or other gas-powered equipment that is being used regularly, Star Tron® can help prevent phase separation that occurs from daily condensation. By neutralizing the electrical charges between water molecules in a process called de-ionization, Star Tron® prevents the water molecules from forming huge clusters large enough to form drops and settle, taking the ethanol with it to the bottom of the fuel tank. The octane rating and the combustion characteristics of the gas are protected, and the suspended water molecules are harmlessly eliminated along with the fuel. In order to understand this process, start by understanding that water does not exist in nature as its textbook single molecule, (H2O). Water consists of hundreds of water molecules bound together in huge “macroclusters” which are much larger than a fuel molecule. Star Tron®’s enzymes break the electric bonding that holds these macroclusters together, reducing the molecular size of the water cluster sufficiently to where microscopic amounts are suspended harmlessly in the gas.

A new breed of fuel additives has recently cropped up to capitalize on ethanol-blended fuel problems. These additives are known as emulsifiers. Ironically, some of them are made from ethanol or isopropyl alcohol or one of the many alcohol cousins. Some emulsifying products will use chemicals such as “ethanolamides” (or anolamides), which are basically just common detergents.

Alcohol has been used by boating consumers for years to “dry” out gas, but that was when gas was 100% gas. E-10 already has a huge amount of alcohol in it, and adding more can cause operational problems and increase the water problem. Adding additional alcohol can also violate the EPA regulations on limits of oxygenates (alcohol) allowed in the fuel, as well as the ASTM fuel specifications. The EPA sets those limits to prevent damage to the engine. Today, all engine manufacturers have certified their new engines to operate on a maximum of 10% ethanol. Any additive taking the fuel over 10% alcohol may void your warranty.

Before using a fuel additive, review the Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) provided by the manufacturer to determine if it contains any alcohols or other harmful water-bonding components. Adding more alcohol to E-10 fuel is not the solution and in fact can compound the problems as emulsifiers have a long history
of causing engine damage. These additives have the ability to absorb their own volume in water, thus allowing more macro water clusters to bond with the fuel. Several of these “new” additives have been demonstrated via a neat sideshow trick in which water is added to gas in a test tube. The two fluids separate, and by adding the emulsifier and violently shaking the test tube, the water appears to vanish, but in reality the water still exists. What emulsified water can do to an engine can be far worse than the original problem. Water, when sucked into an engine in volume, can shut it down. It must be cleaned, and the oil changed, but little else happens. Emulsified water/ethanol causes a more serious problem because instead of shutting down the engine, the mixture can be partially combusted, but not effectively, which can damage the engine. Therefore, a mixture of water and ethanol is worse than just water. When emulsified water runs through an engine
over a period of time, it causes excessive abrasion and wear, corrosion, and the emulsifier alone causes excessive carbon deposits, leading to wear on rings, pistons, and valves.

Emulsified water in the fuel can have several negative effects. Water displaces gasoline, which lubricates the fuel pump. Water pits and corrodes the plated metal surfaces causing premature wear on the fuel pump. Water reacts with various components in the fuel and forms acids, which corrode the fuel injector tips as well. Water/gas emulsions were tested by the SAE with ethanol and were found to remove the plating from fuel pump internal moving surfaces. (SAE 2005-01-2196, Rovai, Tanaka, Sinatora)

This is just the effect the wetted fuel has. The real harm comes during combustion. The earliest reference to experiments with gasoline and water emulsifications (water chemically bonded to an oil is called an emulsification) we know of dates from 1913. Ever since then, products have been introduced that claim to eliminate water from fuel. Many attempt to do so by adding an emulsifying chemical to gasoline. General Motors conducted a significant amount of research on this issue in the 1970s, and additional attempts were conducted for several years after. Each time, the deleterious effects of water/gas emulsions greatly outweighed any benefits gained.

Water emulsions immediately increase the fuel’s viscosity. Even “microemulsions” that appear to be clear and stable as opposed to the milky look generally associated with oil/water emulsions, still thicken the fuel. Thickened fuel can destroy a fuel pump and fuel injectors. The ASTM specifications for fuel viscosity are very tight; thickening the fuel with water can take the fuel outside its specifications, which will void a warranty. How thick is thick? You can’t tell in the field by looking, unless the emulsification has turned to gel, which can happen if there is an overdose of the emulsifier. The average consumer cannot be expected to dose with an emulsifier for a water level he can’t assess and be certain his fuel is still within approved specifications.

Because the emulsified water lowers the flame temperature in the combustion chamber, the combustion efficiency is greatly reduced and the amount of unburned hydrocarbons soars. This forms carbon deposits in the engine, especially on the piston crowns and on the spark plugs. Further, in the General Motors tests, (SAE 760547, Water-Gasoline Fuels, Their Effect on Spark Ignition Engines Emissions and Performance, Peters and Stebar) the deposit buildup was so rapid that the engine had to be disassembled for cleaning approximately every 20 hours. Additionally, they found shiny black deposits linked to the emulsifier and noted that the spark plugs were coated black and appeared wet. Drivability plummeted as well, and fuel economy suffers in a direct ratio to how much water is in the fuel. All negative effects increased as the water level increased. Eventually, GM abandoned their efforts with water in gasoline, as have many others over the years. It was also noted in the GM study that they did not bother to investigate the lubricity issues or long-term engine durability because the performance characteristics were so bad.

Star Tron®’s various enzymes will actually de-emulsify water, which is the correct way to treat contaminated fuel. The advantage to removing water in microscopic amounts is that Star Tron®’s enzyme technology is totally harmless to an engine and does not change the ASTM specifications for fuel. Star Tron® will not remove water from a glass jar but it will remove the water layer in operational boats, cars, ATVs, motorcycles or outdoor power equipment. The real Star Tron® advantage goes beyond just how it eliminates water, or even how it cleans up sludge. Star Tron® is also a combustion catalyst that reduces emissions, including deadly carbon monoxide, while it increases power and fuel economy. Star Tron® removes combustion chamber carbon deposits, reducing an engine’s octane demand and eliminating engine knock, as well as cleaning the entire fuel system. Star Tron® breaks down and safely disperses gum, sludge and varnish, and it outperforms conventional chemical-based gas stabilizers because in addition to slowing the aging of fuel (gasoline and diesel fuel can be stabilized for up to two years), Star Tron® can also rejuvenate stale fuel, restoring it to serviceable condition. It can improve octane in old, sub-standard or non-spec gasoline. It does all this at the lowest cost-per-gallon-treated of any additive.

Re: STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:56 am
by deilenberger
I'll just add - I bought a bottle of this at the Morton's BMW tent at the Square Route (ROOT) rally this weekend.. mostly to see if it helped the crappy idle quality of a mature R12R. Usually I figure this sorta stuff as fish oil - but I trust Morton's, so if they were selling it.. figured it was worth a $7 gamble to see what it did (if anything.)

Added the initial dose (a few oz - they say umm.. 6 Oz I think for 8 gallons of gas, I put a few Oz in an almost full tank), and the idle seemed to improve. This was on a tank of spectacularly crappy Shell (mebbe) gas (dunno - the station didn't pass my smell test - something seemed fishy there when I filled up.) Ran through this tank, got around 49 calculated MPG (OBC told me about 46..), filled up again, and added the "maintenance" dose - an Oz or so for the 4 gallons I put in the tank.

Went 175 miles - filled up again - only was able to put 2.866 gallons in. 61 MPG. That was topped up over the bottom of the red funnel. I have never ever done over about 55 MPG. Part of it might have been a tail-wind I had for a while, but I was pretty much cranking on the bike (highway speeds of 60-80 MPH) most of the time. And the idle quality is MUCH improved.

So - fish oil? Based on my limited experience so far - I'd say no.. but more extended use will tell the story.

Re: STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:16 am
by gezerbike
While I have not got around to doing any numbers yet ( with three bikes all being ridden, I really don't watch each that closely ) I will say that without a doubt, my bikes are running better. I took my poser GS out yesterday to run around and find more of this stuff and I can really feel how much smoother the thing is running. I don't know why, maybe the nature of the first Oilheads, but I can notice the improvement much more on the 1100 than I can on the 1200 R and the Yamaha Statolounger. In any case, if I gain a few more miles to the gallon, that would just be icing on the cake. Improved driveability is more where I was looking to go. And oh, the stuff is not that easy to find. Website said it Wal Mart carried it, but not in my neck of the woods. Ended up buying 3 8oz bottles at an Ace Hardware. Since this was really originally designed for the boating community, a Marina might be a better spot to look. As it is, the 3 bottles I bought are good for over 120 gallons of gas, which gets me out to about 6,000 miles before I need more. Well worth the $ 22.00 bucks I spent.

Re: STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:30 pm
by mogu83
deilenberger wrote: So - fish oil? Based on my limited experience so far - I'd say no.. but more extended use will tell the story.
Careful Don, for some unknown reason I hold your opinion (on Beemer matters) in high esteem. This looks like it could be an Eilenburger endorsement. I'll be waiting for your final word on this.

Re: STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:14 pm
by Stef.
Using additives does not have any influence on your warranty? I have heard something that implied doing so would in worst case scenario make your warranty invalid?
Stef.

Re: STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:59 pm
by gezerbike
I doubt a dealer would sell you something that would void your warranty. Could make for an interesting court case though.

Re: STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:37 am
by deilenberger
Very tiny update..

So far the idle quality is improved - noticeably. Before - with the engine hot - the idle was rough enough that I got input-shaft gear rattle from the transmission if I left the clutch engaged in neutral. Not doing that now. It's idling like it did when new. Other RPMs may also be a bit smoother. My WAG - there was some carbon buildup on the intake valves that it cleaned off, but that's just a guess, haven't taken off the throttle bodies to look.

Will update if anything else seems to happen.

Re: STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:15 pm
by michael Tobias
I read all the info and looked on the web site....talked to the guys who sell it near me...they love the stuff and would probably put it on vanilla ice cream or use it in their hair...so I bought a small bottle to try.

background ... 3 weeks ago my tank strip died and Max installed a new one....

Monday my son and I left for a road trip to Nashville and some other unspecified locations (we are heading back up to NY thru Ky, W Va, and will probably touch Lk Erie and back across on 17/86). I put 2 oz. in my tank (08 R1200R with 7800 on the clock) and the same in his..95 (R1100RS with 34K on the clock)

My bike used to tell me it averaged 49 mpg and I did not reset it when the new tank strip got installed, I did not think to reset it.

so on my first tank of gas on the trip the trip computer said I got 44 mpg....measured mpg was 46. the average has stayed at about 46. today on a 101 mile stretch on I40 at nearly 85 I got 50 mpg measured while the strip shows only 45. I quit using the addative after the 2nd tank...the measured mileage has apparently gone up a bit.

the R11100rs did increase it's range. I was getting about 160 to the yellow light and now it is going nearly 200. the R12 went over 200 and no yellow light...only took about 4.4 gals....that was on Shell 93.

Not sure what is really going on,m but this is the info we have gathered so far.

so the questions are:

can a new tank strip be callibrated differently?

does the trip mileage reflect the inaccuracy of the spedo....at 75 on the spedo the gps shows 70.....

and does that in any way effect the mpg reading?

and BTW Deals Gap is allegedly closed due to a rock slide untl July 4

Re: STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:47 pm
by deilenberger
michael Tobias wrote:Not sure what is really going on,m but this is the info we have gathered so far.

so the questions are:

can a new tank strip be callibrated differently?
Yes. The calibration is only done at the low fuel point (where the light comes on) - dealer drains tank, installs the new strip, adds back 1 gallon (or whatever is spec) of fuel, then uses the computer to set this level to the turn on the light level. The rest of the strip has no calibration setting - it's assumed they are the same, but by my experience - they're not.

does the trip mileage reflect the inaccuracy of the spedo....at 75 on the spedo the gps shows 70.....
It might. Generally I find the odometer to be pretty accurate (over a 600 mile trip it may differ from my GPS reading by 4 or 5 miles - less then 1% error. The speedo is grossly optimistic.. as you've noted.

and does that in any way effect the mpg reading?
IF it's using the same signal as the odometer (and I imagine it has to - there is only one speed/distance signal sent to the instrument cluster from the rear wheel speed/ABS sensor) it might. But I doubt if it would be off by a huge amount.

FWIW - my calculated actual MPG vs OBC calculated MPG do differ - usually I get better then what the OBC thinks I'm getting. That's OK with me - since it means when I get to 0 miles remaining, I still have fuel left.
and BTW Deals Gap is allegedly closed due to a rock slide untl July 4
Heard it's open in one direction - but dunno which. There are IMHO - much more entertaining roads in the area that aren't packed full of squids trying to kill themselves.

Re: STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:40 pm
by Mollygrubber
For the Canucks on board, available at Canadian Tire, of course...

Re: STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:27 pm
by TIV
Mollygrubber wrote:For the Canucks on board, available at Canadian Tire, of course...
No point as they can still get ethanol free gas up there. I still run non ethanol gas as my local gas station gets their fuel from Canada. Heard this may be changing though.

Re: STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:12 pm
by michael Tobias
a bit more follow up:

in central Tennessee they are acvtively advertising gas without ethanol...I was able to but a tank or two while riding around upper central Tn and lower Ky. the bikes both did much better in terms of power and feel and the mileage went up from a measured mileage average of 46 to almost 56 mpg in all kinds of terrain. surprisingly Citgo was the major ethanol free brand. we found a few Shell stations that had gas without ethanol (at least not advertised) and a few Marathon stations along with some no names...I have only used the Shell and Citgo though.

we are currently in Western NY just outside of Erie, headed back to Kingston. Citgo up here also appears not to have ethanol.

Re: STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:37 am
by redwing
I think there could be a problem using ethanol gas and unleaded gas. I recall reading that gasoline (unleaded) leaves a film throughout the fuel system. When ethanol is used over a long term the ethanol washes the film from the system. The film accumulates and is unusable as gas. The motor will not burn the film and causes stalls or to completely stop running. The Star Tron additive perhaps mixes with the film and the motor can burn the film through the motor.
I have a 2003 Mazda with 107k miles and the oil changed every 3500 miles or less. The car is well maintained. Recently... the motor simply quits running. I added Star Tron 2 days ago and so far no stalls or acting like it is out of gas.
The problem occurs when I drive fast...throw it through corners ... add gas or fill-up ......even when I stop for only a few minutes to buy a coke. If I let the car sit for 30 min to date it starts and runs ok. I replaced the fuel filter 10 days ago and the motor ran good for maybe a week. For months I have been unable to buy unleaded but instead only ethanol.
IMHO mixing the unleaded and unleaded-ethanol is not good.
I got my R in May of 2008 and have mostly used ethanol so perhaps the problem has missed my bike.

Robert

Re: STAR TRON ENZYME ADDITIVE

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:30 pm
by Mollygrubber
I added some at my last fill-up, maybe it's the placebo effect, but I seem to detect slightly smoother idle and initial accelleration. Mileage is unaffected so far.