Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:59 pm
no more solid colors for the 2005 r1150r ???
DJ
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:32 pm
At my dealer the other day when I had my date with Charley...I asked the head salesman about the new R1200R...he said it will not be coming out until 2007.....but can you believe these salesmen...
DJ
DJ
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 8:52 pm
I'll take the other side (there WILL be an R1200R) and here's why. Our 1150R is very popular in Europe. I spoke with an Eidelweiss customer who said "They're the most common bike there . . . they're everywhere."
I say the 50R is not much different than it's brothers in the line-up - - - just a few items and a fender make it a different model with the ability to grab new owners that may not want to lay out $15K plus for the street bike BMWMotorad knows they will buy after their R1200R BMW "entry bike" convinces them that BMW really IS the ONLY way to go. Also a big twin, air cooled, Tele-Lever shaftie is a lot different than a water cooled, high reving, belt drive, little twin standard. There's no model dilution between them.
That, plus a little birdie told me.
I say the 50R is not much different than it's brothers in the line-up - - - just a few items and a fender make it a different model with the ability to grab new owners that may not want to lay out $15K plus for the street bike BMWMotorad knows they will buy after their R1200R BMW "entry bike" convinces them that BMW really IS the ONLY way to go. Also a big twin, air cooled, Tele-Lever shaftie is a lot different than a water cooled, high reving, belt drive, little twin standard. There's no model dilution between them.
That, plus a little birdie told me.
1200
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:03 pm
Re the criticism of the 1200 series, specifically from Pat and Dallara:
I have owned both. I disagree with a couple of things, but not all.
1. Vibe. Counter balancer or not, the 1200 DEFINATELY still has the boxer engine mojo. It pulls hard, has an even torque delivery curve and rumbles like a boxer should. It is smoother at higher revs where the 1150 wants to start farting and vibrates a lot without making more pull. That is where the 1200 keeps pulling and doesn't just vibrate more. That is my opinion.
2. Midrange grunt: it is there. It feels like it is there at least as much as the 1150. In fact, moreso.
3. Down low grunt. That is where the 1150 shines more than any other bike. The 1150 gives you that "pull like crazy" response from 2800 rpms on up. The 1200 starts higher, BUT, the gearing is a bit different, so you START up higher anyway. I seem to ride my 1200 at about 3200 in lazy mode, where the 1150 would be ridden in lazy mode at about 3K. The 1200 still pulls well down low, but not as low.
4. Canbus.........yes, everything is computerized these days. You can't wipe your hiney anymore without electronic control. That is just the way it is and there ain't no goin' back. The supposed trade off is increased reliability and consistent performance vs. do it yourself servicability. We can (and do) complain about this trend, but that is the way modern motorized commodities go. Complain if you like, but lets face it, the automobiles we have now DO go for tens of thousands of miles with scheduled maintainence only, without a hiccup (at least the Japanese ones)....compared to the cars of the 70's...you have to admit, it works.
If they make an R1200R, it will be great bike, if for no other reason than it will be 60 or more lbs lighter. THAT would be nice for the R, don't you all agree? And you know you all want that extra 15 hp!
Bones
I have owned both. I disagree with a couple of things, but not all.
1. Vibe. Counter balancer or not, the 1200 DEFINATELY still has the boxer engine mojo. It pulls hard, has an even torque delivery curve and rumbles like a boxer should. It is smoother at higher revs where the 1150 wants to start farting and vibrates a lot without making more pull. That is where the 1200 keeps pulling and doesn't just vibrate more. That is my opinion.
2. Midrange grunt: it is there. It feels like it is there at least as much as the 1150. In fact, moreso.
3. Down low grunt. That is where the 1150 shines more than any other bike. The 1150 gives you that "pull like crazy" response from 2800 rpms on up. The 1200 starts higher, BUT, the gearing is a bit different, so you START up higher anyway. I seem to ride my 1200 at about 3200 in lazy mode, where the 1150 would be ridden in lazy mode at about 3K. The 1200 still pulls well down low, but not as low.
4. Canbus.........yes, everything is computerized these days. You can't wipe your hiney anymore without electronic control. That is just the way it is and there ain't no goin' back. The supposed trade off is increased reliability and consistent performance vs. do it yourself servicability. We can (and do) complain about this trend, but that is the way modern motorized commodities go. Complain if you like, but lets face it, the automobiles we have now DO go for tens of thousands of miles with scheduled maintainence only, without a hiccup (at least the Japanese ones)....compared to the cars of the 70's...you have to admit, it works.
If they make an R1200R, it will be great bike, if for no other reason than it will be 60 or more lbs lighter. THAT would be nice for the R, don't you all agree? And you know you all want that extra 15 hp!
Bones
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:06 pm
Ridiculous....BMW really IS the ONLY way to go...
For some maybe, not all.
There are lots of great brands out there, I'm lucky to have 4 of them and I'm happy with them all.
To only have 1 motorcycle is likely an economic issue, I can relate.
But to say any are "the only"?