BMW R1200R R1150R/T F800 K1200R R1100R/T R1250R RnineT Message Board

Sander Abernathy wrote:Don. Did you ever have to do anything concerning the catastrophic engine failure recall in the S54? Mine was produced June 2003 which was the first failure free month. I got the 100,000 mile warranty but I never had to have the recall work done on it.

Totally OT..

My '02 M3C got the new bearings and oil pump.. my '01 M-Coupe precedes the recall date range, although there have been some reported failures of S54's in later M-Coupes. BMW lowered the redline 250 RPM on that car, claiming that would take care of it.. and didn't apply the recall to them. I don't beat on the cars that much, which probably helps the longevity.. 315+ HP in 3,000 lbs makes it unnecessary to beat on them.

Don,

I am sorry I missed your question. The information that the R1200R is no longer offered comes from 3 sources: First, it is not listed on their web page, second I asked my dealer to find out, third the dealer called BMWNA who confirmed.

Regards,

Bill

It seems to coming to Italy.

http://www.omnimoto.it/magazine/3919/bmw-r1200r-2011

Why not here?

The Italian magazine article is conjecture, they don't know any more about the 2011 BMWs than we do. The photo is made in Photoshop.

Bill Stevenson wrote:Don,

I am sorry I missed your question. The information that the R1200R is no longer offered comes from 3 sources: First, it is not listed on their web page, second I asked my dealer to find out, third the dealer called BMWNA who confirmed.

Regards,

Bill

Bill - first two don't mean too much at all, BMW has been known to have out of date websites (they listed the black/pinstripes model WELL after it wasn't available) and dealers have been known to say anything just so they sound knowledgeable.. but the third might. Wonder who he talked to in NA? My friend in Motorrad is in a position to know, and as of April, there was going to be a 2011..

I'll have to poke around a bit. Upside if they don't make a '11 - ours just become more valuable..

Best

What I get from all this is that the DOHC motor will find it's way into the R1200R for 2011 and that BMW has no intentions for the next couple of years of water cooling the boxer.
The Roadster has gotten all the goodies before the RT model in the past, this time it's the other way round.
The boxer is now stretched to the max with 145hp on the HP2, what you are seeing in the DOHC motor now IMOA is the end of the this motor.
I've ridden the RT with the new DOHC motor and for what is is worth it wont have me changing over to a new bike. It's a smoother power delivery down low but not much in it.

Why would BMW have redesigned a perfectly good engine where the redesign has no apparent benefits, other than sounding sexier (I'd probably fall for it, but for this discussion)? Seriously. Is something more planned down the road that requires the DOHC concept?

Why would BMW have redesigned a perfectly good engine where the redesign has no apparent benefits, other than sounding sexier

because it will be enough for some guys to change over to to have the latest and greatest!

Kieran R1200R wrote:Why would BMW have redesigned a perfectly good engine where the redesign has no apparent benefits, other than sounding sexier

because it will be enough for some guys to change over to to have the latest and greatest!

No company wants to maintain the assembly and parts distribution of multiple versions of an engine. The R1200R will move to the DOHC ASAP for increased production efficiency. When the R1200R reaches end of life (i.e. stops selling profitably or becomes a brand liability in the face of competitors' options) BMW will replace it with a new 'roadster' based on the customizable prototype floated around last year.

my 2¢

Regarding the 2011 R1200R, Motorrad online says:

BMW R 1200 R dohc: Bewährtes zu verbessern, die Linie zu wahren, den Fortschritt sichtbar zu machen: Diesen Herausforderungen stellt sich BMW, wenn die Roadster auf zwei obenliegende Nockenwellen umgerüstet wird. Die grundsätzliche Ausrichtung als Universaltalent mit tourensportlicher Kompetenz wird die R 1200 R gewiss beibehalten.

Google translation:

improve BMW R 1200 R dohc: Established to preserve the line to make visible progress: These challenges are BMW, when the Roadster is converted to two overhead camshafts. The basic orientation as a universal talent with a tour of sporting skills, the R 1200 R certainly maintained.

Don C wrote: Google translation:

improve BMW R 1200 R dohc: Established to preserve the line to make visible progress: These challenges are BMW, when the Roadster is converted to two overhead camshafts. The basic orientation as a universal talent with a tour of sporting skills, the R 1200 R certainly maintained.

Wow! That really clears it up!

tinytrains wrote:

Don C wrote: Google translation:

improve BMW R 1200 R dohc: Established to preserve the line to make visible progress: These challenges are BMW, when the Roadster is converted to two overhead camshafts. The basic orientation as a universal talent with a tour of sporting skills, the R 1200 R certainly maintained.

Wow! That really clears it up!

Peice'a cake, my translation:

The new 2011 BMW R1200R DOHC continues the classic BMW boxer line and also shows progress. This was a challenge for BMW so the (already perfect) Roadster has been converted to the 2 OHC engine. The basic design of the R1200R continues the universal appeal of a pure sport/tourer. (The best damn bike BMW makes.)

How's dat?

Here's more text from the same source:

Proven to improve to maintain the line to make visible progress: These challenges are BMW, when the Roadster is converted to two overhead camshafts. The basic orientation as a universal talent with a tour of sporting skills, the R 1200 R certainly maintained.

Against the Revolution in Bologna take the previously promulgated by BMW's plans quite unspectacular. The R 1200 GS and RT will also get the roadster version of the Boxer series, the more powerful engine with two overhead camshafts per cylinder. The terrain and the tour's sister have been revised for the past year almost exclusively at this point, except for delicate optical retouching they are indistinguishable from the earlier models with hc-cylinder head.

Whether the R 1200 R will be drawn in the coming model year, dynamic, or whether it remains true to its classic line, it may be speculated. A slight increase in peak power and significantly more torque are set facts, but BMW is involved with its Roadster in a similar dilemma as Mercedes with the SL: How can we the stylistic ancestor in any successor to be made public without disclosing the technical development completely invisible ? And with all conservative inclinations: BMW, it sure would do well to inspire younger customers with a taste for something more progressive - as it has succeeded with the S 1000 RR.

Specifications R 1200 R dohc
Boxer-stroke engine, bore / stroke 101.0 / 73.0 mm, capacity 1170 cm ³, approx 81 min power kW (110 hp) at 7750 / min Torque 120 Nm at 6000 /, steel-tube frame, front Double disc brake, disc brake rear, seat height 800 mm, weight about 235 kg, Price: N / A

Source:
http://www.motorradonline.de/de/motorra ... 59?seite=2

For what it's worth: my cousin is running BMW motorcycle Spain and the new R1200R with dohc will come either at the end of this year or the beginning of next year. This all depends on how many "old" 2010 models are still around in the factory. Whe I drove the new GSA with dohc I can only say that I prefer the "old" GSA. The new one was much louder (apparently some customers demanded this from BMW as they found their bikes too quiet) and frankly I did not think that it handled very differently. My cousin said that the improvements with dohc are not soo great to not go for the 2010 model, which I did. I had asked him whether I should wait for the 2011 model to come out as I had another bike at that time and I wasn't under pressure to get the new one immediately.
Stef.

I just got back from BMW Ventura. I asked about the 2011 R1200R and one of the sales guys seemed pretty confident when he said BMW isn't bringing them to the us next year :-/. There was one white 2010 model on the floor and he said he bought that one.

I heard the same thing from a BMW salesperson in the northeast, 2011 getting dohc engine but not going to be brought to US market. Hard to know what to believe but that along with a few other reasons and I ended up trading in my r12r for a new 2010 model.
I love this bike!

We'll know after the INTERMOT press conference on Oct. 5.

The latest BMW Motorrad USA newsletter says the F800R goes on sale here in January. Wonder what this means for a 2011 R12R?

Talked to my dealer today and he said he was unable to order any additional R1200R models. He said the new F800R might be a "replacement".

DougF
Charleston