Very interesting. Maybe it is partly about height.
I'm 6'1", 34" inseam and got the tall screen and it works very well for me, much better than the gen 1 screen. It's much less turbulent over the screen and seems to give me a good amount of wind around my body, which will be important in the summer here in Dallas.
Cool that people are giving feedback on their experiences. I totally agree that things work differently for different people, no one screen, one bike, one approach is going to work for everyone. Love that we have options.
Don E: May I respectfully suggest you try spacers (washer stacks will do) under the bottom mount? Each 1/4" makes the shield lip about 1" lower and closer to your face. Try both 1/4" and 1/2"; it's really easy. For me the shield was a bit too high at first, but 1/2" made it much better. Then Don C will make you a block, like he did for me. Same advice to everyone else: play around with it!
Mike in SB
2009 R1200R all black
ex1970 BMW R60/5
ex1959 BMW pre-slash R60
ex Matchless G80CS
I don't think that's going to work. It will lower the top edge a bit, but it doesn't seem to do anything to the turbulence I experienced.
If you read my posts again - you'll see the first try I made with the new CB was with my modified touring mount. It has an extended loop for the bottom mounting, which does exactly the same thing as the DonC block (or any other spacer.) If anything - the shield was worse on that mount. The turbulence problem isn't off the top of the shield, if it was, then I think tipping it back might help (it does with others of my vast collection of R12R shields..) The turbulence was off the sides of the shield. It didn't really change when it was tipped back. If anything it was a bit worse since it seemed to actually shake the shield and I could see the top edge then fluttering. As I noted above - I think the belly shape really works, there isn't significant turbulence off the top of the shield. It's the side wing sort of protrusions that seem to be the problem now. Dunno if reducing them in size would help or not, I'm not quite at the point of cutting it up.
Don Eilenberger - NJ Shore
2012 R1200R - I love this bike!
My Cee Baileys came for my 08 R1200R two days ago and I took it for a test ride today. It is great and I recommend it. Although I have to say if I had not cracked my Cal Sci I would be just as happy with it using the tilt block. The Cee Baileys is visually more attractive to me. I did get some strange turbulence in a combination of a light crosswind combined with being behind a semi-truck, but it went away as soon as I passed. I would say turbulence is not an issue with this screen for me.
I am a little concerned because I look through the Cee Baileys as much or more than I look over it. The wind goes jsut over the top of my helmet, and before it hit midway through the top of my helmet. I was used to looking through the windshield when I had a tall Aeroflow on a 98 1100RT adjusted all the way up with the electric adjuster. But with the Cal Sci on the 1200R I was mostly looking over it which is what I have become used to.
My question for the board is, do you think my new Cee Baileys is too tall? Thanks for your thoughts.
As Don has pointed out, no screen can please everyone. But if your only complaint is that the screen is too high, do try putting washers as spacers under the bottom mount; this has the effect of lowering the screen a bit. That way you can see if lowering it is what you need or not. With the 1/2" Don C block, I'm looking way over the top of my 25" CB, just as I used to look way over my XL CalSci; without the spacer I was looking sort of through the top edge of the CB.
Mike in SB
2009 R1200R all black
ex1970 BMW R60/5
ex1959 BMW pre-slash R60
ex Matchless G80CS
About 10 days ago, DonE lent me his new CeeBailey’s windshield so that I might provide another opinion of it. Today, I finally got around to trying it out.
About me: I’m 6’1”, with a 32” inseam. My R1200R has a Russell aftermarket, so that raises me another 2” or so higher than the OEM seat. I use the OEM Touring screen in the summer, and a 22” CalSci windshield in colder temps ….. both with a DonC 1” block.
For this test, I used the OEM touring windscreen frame without the DonC block.
I got on a local freeway. Immediately, I noticed that I was getting more wind resistance than with the CS. Note that I didn’t use the word “buffeting”, as my head was not being shaken. Pulled off at the first exit, just to make sure the shield was secure. Then I noticed that there was a bit of wind blowing from the west/southwest …. my direction of travel. Back on the freeway, I took her up to around 70mph. Some wind disturbance to my helmet, although much more so on my shoulders & upper arms.
After about 5 miles, I exited & changed my direction. This time took her up to 80mph. My helmet was quite disturbance-free; moreso than the CS. (Having the wind at my back this time was helping matters.) Shoulders & arms, however, were not reaping any beneficial protection. Understandable, considering that the CB is just 15” wide, whereas the CS is 20”.
I came away from my brief ride favorably impressed with the protection provided by the CB to my head & torso. It’d be interesting to see what the level of protection would be while riding behind a semi or large SUV, which are notorious turbulence generators.
For me, though, the CB is not a substitute for the CS w/ DonC block. What I would gain over the CS in head protection, I would lose on my arms & shoulders.
The CB could be a substitute for my summer OEM Touring screen, but I’ll likely stay with what I have. The DonC block has worked out well for me.
I hope you all have success in your pursuit of the Holy Grail.
parkec wrote:Is Cee Baileys offering a "trade in" if you own their old model?
Nope. Wouldn't really expect them to.. what are they going to do with the old ones? And based on my experience, I'm not rushing out to get rid of my old ones.. (they work really well with the mount leaned back a bit..)
Don Eilenberger - NJ Shore
2012 R1200R - I love this bike!
I just got back from a one hour ride. I still find the gen 2 screen to be a lot better than the gen 1 screen with the tilt block. It's not perfect, but a great improvement for me. Continued appreciation toward CeeBailey's!
I purchased a wind screen about six months ago. Gave it a whirl. Added a Don C Block.
With out the Don c, I found quit a bit of buffeting. The Don C Block requires adjustments to the BMW windscreen frame. Let me rephrase that..requires atleast two technical/angle adjustments to fit flush to the top triple tree - in my case taping the socket and installing a new bolt as well,
All in all. One bentup BMW windscreen frame, One taped socket. one Cee Baileys, and one Don C Block all stored in my bike closet.. $300 flushed.
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Ah!!!!You can't give up at only 300 bucks......it's ok, we all understand; at least those of us with about four extra windshields in various stages of storage or in hiding in our moto man caves.
Resurrect the bent up frame and Don C block and gamble another 200 on a Cal Sci tallest (XL) screen. Worked for me. The Cal Sci guy is a good guy with an engineering background and he got it right as far as I'm concerned.
Cause I know you don't want my two Cee Baileys and some monster barn door deal I forgot to send back within 30 days to Parabellum
Be a player....come on ....dig down....it's ok.... it's for your motorcycle, which is about the only sensible thing going on in our worlds right now....you can come to the forum for absolution.
Still gonna be a lot cheaper than an RT which you don't want because you are a naked moto kind of person....
PS you still need good ear plugs but you'll be smiling....Promise.
Indeed - $300, trifle.. I have at least 7 screens in the garage at the moment (4 of them Cee-Bailey's).. and two touring mounts (one "normal" one modified..)
You could also use your remaining fingers to count the number of seats in my garage, but you'd be one short..
This motorcycling isn't near as expensive as sailing..
Don Eilenberger - NJ Shore
2012 R1200R - I love this bike!
After taking my bike out and noticing that about half the time I was looking through my new windscreen instead of over it, I emailed Joe Duval at Cee Baileys. He responded right away that it was designed be looked over, just as I had suspected. He told me to mark it where I wanted it trimmed, ship it back to him, and he would trim it and ship it back for no charge.
I used a wide strip of blue masking tape at different 1/2" intervals until I found the ideal height where I was looking over it almost all of the time, but didn't have to make it any shorter than absolutely necessary for wind protection. Put it back in the original box and paid my UPS. In a week I had it back. Took it out today for a ride, and am really happy with it. It looks great and functions very well. The wind goes just over the top of my helmet.
Because I have modified my handlebars, I originally had a little trouble deciding what height to order. Someone on this board recommended I go high so it could be trimmed down if needed. That was great advice. For the price of one way shipping back to California, I now have a custom height. I was really happy with the product and service from California Scientific, and can definitely say the same thing about Cee Baileys.
Interesting - I guess I could try that. The one I have is definately about 3" too tall for my likes.. (even though I'm looking over it - and that's with it tipped back on my modified mount.)
It's back in my possession now - the friend who borrowed it thought it was wonderful, until I asked him if he'd done a 70-80MPH run with it. He hadn't - he did - and he ended up buying one of the old design 16" CB shields from a member here. He's quite happy with that one (it's what I'd loaned him initially to try.)
His complaint was the same as mine. Great up to a certain speed, then the turbulence coming off the sides of the shield becomes annoying - for me that speed is around my highway cruising speed.. (70-75 MPH, just below ticket range in NJ.) Somehow I doubt if lower will help with that. I think the air isn't being pushed over the top - it's being pushed off to the sides, and when you reach some speed it collapses into the partial vacuum behind the shield with the resulting turbulence.
If any east-coasters want to try one out - and can make it to my garage.. you're welcome to a test ride with it (or any of my other various screens..)
Don Eilenberger - NJ Shore
2012 R1200R - I love this bike!
My 2nd gen. 23" Cee Bailey arrived in the past days. I am 175 cm high (5'8") and I use a BMW regular height comfort seat. With the 23" screen I am still looking above the screen and not through it. As for many of you this is not my first screen
Earlier I had the 1st gen. 18" Cee Bailey. From about 40km/h it built up a roaring turbulence noise that was unbearable for more than a few minutes. I then went for tilting with the DonC block. Clearly better, however the turbulence did not disappear it just moved to higher speeds. My dealer was nice enough to swap the Cee Bailey for a BMW touring screen. I was still using the DonC block. Somewhat better, but still turbulent from about 80 km/h (usually I ride in the 80-110 km/h range) and could not ride with open visor as the wind was hitting me directly on my eyes. Got upset and went back to the BMW sports shield that came with the bike and used it with the tilting block. Almost no turbulence, and almost no wind protection
Now back to the 2nd gen. Cee Bailey. With the tilting block it was disastrous from about 40 km/h. Almost the same roaring turbulence as with the initial Cee Bailey. What I observed however is that if I move my head closer to the screen the roar disappears. This is in line with Xprof's advice i.e. try to tilt the screen further. The problem is that without modifying the support of the screen I can hardly tilt to the desired extent. My last experiment was to remove the tilting block. It is better in the sense that even at high speed (120 km/h) while the noise is substantial the roar is mostly but not fully gone (this is valid if I use ear plugs). I have tried to move my head closer and farther from the screen. In this setup however this does not have any effect.
Should I have gone with the 25" version? Should I forget all the screens and give up with cold weather riding? Should I experiment further with the Saeng edging that Xprof mentioned in one of his earlier posts? Should I begin to build a modified screen support that allows heavy tilting?
I'll see. For now I am bit tired of the futile experiments.
I think that a taller screen would help a lot. The screens that work best are tall enough to shield the bottom half of your face, but never so tall that you can't see the road over it. I use a 25 inch Cal-Sci, and I'm an inch shorter than you are. It's tilted with one of my 1 inch blocks, and it stops about at nose level, so I can see over the top. It's quieter behind this screen than in clean air, and no buffeting. I can feel and hear crosswinds and some wind when passing other vehicles, and while it's quieter than without a screen it's not perfectly silent, an R1200RT, Honda Gold Wing, or even a NT700V will give a quieter ride.
The tallest Cal-Sci screen with the Don C block should be about as good as it's going to get; see my post above with site addresses.
Not to say that Cal-Sci is always the answer; just received a tallest Cal-Sci for my 2012 Triumph 800 ABS bike; it mounted up ok but looked like ass. Put a couple of hundred miles on it and thought it wasn't too bad until my visiting son told me he wouldn't ride with it; so we put the original Triumph screen back on; it's good to 80 or so when the head really starts getting moved around....clean air but 80 plus mph of clean air is still a lot of air; same problem on the Ducati 696; the stock shields push the chest relieving had pressure on the grips; provide clean air to the Shoei Quest; but past 80, no bueno.
I'm going to send the Cal Sci Triumph screen back and have it lowered about 2 inches as I actually did order that one too tall. The tallest Cal Sci works on the R12 because the Don C block tilt effectively lowers the height of the windshield.
Overall, even though I haven't tried it, I'm not gonna buy the new Cee Bailey. I like the Cal Sci tallest for the R12 and it has ducts cut into it that seem to relieve the back pressure.....
On the Triumph with the stock screen no way an open face helmet....not a problem with the Cal Sci on the Triumph just too tall and looks a little weird.
Before you quit....try the Cal Sci with the block on the R12. Seems to have worked best for several of us.
Yestreday I must have been really frustrated as today I went through all of my screens in short comparative rides. Cee Bayley 23", than the BMW touring, than the BMW sport ... and finally something I have not tried earlier: no windscreen at all. Clearly, definitely and absolutely the best setup for minimizing noise, roar and buffeting is the setup without any screen at all! If I'd be sure to achieve with a taller 25" screen the same experience I'd try it yet once again irrespective if Cee Bailey or CalSci.
A tall screen that you can just see over is an optimum, but can be a problem cresting hills and approaching descents - you need to look through the screen!
A primary requirement for me, especially in the summer months, is the ability to deflect bugs from ones visor. Hate having to cleam 'em off!
