Are you worried ...

[thepeacebullgrunt]

Ride on Chitown !

[Widetrack]

ChiTown ! You are the man !

That's the best post I've seen in a long time !!!

[lewellen]

ABSOLUTELY,....

Um, not to be rude, and not to hijack the thread ... but is there a way to block from having to read a particular user's posts, as there is with newsreaders?

I really don't care for people shouting all the time, and frankly, Mr. Pig, most of what you write is simply not particularly insightful, helpful, or even, well, friendly most of the time. If you will pardon the pun, I find your behavior boorish.

You are free to write whatever you wish, as far as I'm concerned ... I just really don't want to read it anymore. (If a blocker is not available, I will continue just skipping over; but it is more hassle.)

Back to the original post, and my response to it ... one reason I worry about rear-drive failure is, I have had a shaft drive U-joint give way on me while I was on the road and rolling. The bike in question was a '75 GL1000 Gold Wing, and the dust seal had apparently been breached sometime during the ride back from Prudhoe Bay. I also had a clutch cable fail on that trip, as I was pulling out of the Arctic Circle parking lot. (Fortunately my friend - who was on a '77 'Wing - and I had a spare along, and we were able to replace it at Coldfoot.)

I suppose, what I tried to convey in my original answer, was that there are things I always have concerns about. If you ask me how likely such things are, well... Having had a battery go on me, I am more conscious of taking short trips and putting the bike on a charger when I go away on business trips (about 50% of my time is on the road these days). Having had the aforementioned ... issue ... with a drive shaft, I make sure to check for oil leaks and play at the rear tire once every so often. And I made sure I got the recall work done on the EWS receiver.

So ... Aware? Certainly. Fretful at each ride? Absolutely not. Conscious that as a mechanical device, Things Can Go Wrong? You bet'cha ... but really no moreso than other bikes I've had.

Good roads,

- Lewellen

[mogu83]

Um, not to be rude, and not to hijack the thread ... but is there a way to block from having to read a particular user's posts, as there is with newsreaders?
- Lewellen

Go to top of page, right under Board Index click on Control Panel go to Friends and Foes click on Foes and put in the user names you don't want to see.

[lewellen]

Thanks, Harry!

Best,

- Lewellen

[hjsbmw]

I'm not an authority because I've had the bike for two weeks. I am not worried, however. If my battery went out I'd get a new one. It would not lead me to think that all BMWs are cursed. I'd have more of a problem with the final drive failing. I suppose it could happen but I am more worried about the other drivers on the road than that. That said, I look forward to my ride tomorrow.

[thepeacebullgrunt]

Um, not to be rude, and not to hijack the thread ... but is there a way to block from having to read a particular user's posts, as there is with newsreaders?
- Lewellen

Go to top of page, right under Board Index click on Control Panel go to Friends and Foes click on Foes and put in the user names you don't want to see.

Well well just because a guy freak out with mechanic issues & drama's now R1200R.org is reforming itself based on the "GATED COMMUNITY" model...blocking peoples, ignore modes and why not a Cyber Patrol etc etc you can do that if you create some kind a "elitist" club with few selected buddies in your garage but doing the same on Internet it sound really like Intolerant to me.

This being said I do agree that the post that started this thread is kind of freaky and I agree Piggy has indeed to me shown some weird typing manners... if at least he could use an elegant English syntax, refine his colors and font size we would certainly be delighted also to debate about his creative skills.

[lewellen]

Well well just because a guy freak out with mechanic issues & drama's now R1200R.org is reforming itself based on the "GATED COMMUNITY" model...blocking peoples, ignore modes and why not a Cyber Patrol etc etc you can do that if you create some kind a "elitist" club with few selected buddies in your garage but doing the same on Internet it sound really like Intolerant to me.

*sigh* At the risk of going very off-topic...

Hold up a moment, please.

A "gated community" model, as I understand the term, means to keep everybody out except those on an "in list." I did not propose that anywhere, if you will go back and read my original post, as I am personally very much against that model for both physical communities and these message boards. This is more akin to not reading a newspaper columnist or a blogger, or not listening to a radio show, that you don't care for, by removing the station from your preset menu.

My using a blocker places absolutely zero restrictions on what you can read or write, or on what anyone else can read or write, including the person I'm blocking. It just makes it easier for me to not listen or read what one particular person is saying, because in my time on the board so far I have found effectively zero useful, interesting or pleasant content in that person's posts. It's content-control on the user, not the provider, end of things.

Call that intolerant if you will (and I will admit to having a low tolerance for BS); but it's a far cry from either an elitist club or a cyber-patrol. Somebody exercises his rights and abilities to write what he or she wishes; I exercise my right to not read it.

Good roads,

- Lewellen

[ka5ysy]

Valium tablets solve a lot of this kind of problem. Check with you friendly local shrink...



BTW... Stock seat does suck. De-Suck Solution is Rick Mayer :

[WILDPIG]

Well well just because a guy freak out with mechanic issues & drama's now R1200R.org is reforming itself based on the "GATED COMMUNITY" model...blocking peoples, ignore modes and why not a Cyber Patrol etc etc you can do that if you create some kind a "elitist" club with few selected buddies in your garage but doing the same on Internet it sound really like Intolerant to me.

This being said I do agree that the post that started this thread is kind of freaky and I agree Piggy has indeed to me shown some weird typing manners... if at least he could use an elegant English syntax, refine his colors and font size we would certainly be delighted also to debate about his creative skills. --------------------------------HUH?

[parkec]

I love this bike, sometime when I am Starbucks or Dunk'n I'll sit ouside on the curb and just admire her.

I've owned the bike about a year and a half - mostly use it for commuting, but have taken a couple 250 mile (1way)trips. I currently have 10,500 miles on it, did the recalls, had an ignition issue (probably related to the wrenching on the ews) but never stranded. I'm still on my orignal tires, but plan to repalce them on or about the 12,000 mile check along with my FD lube.

I do have a friend who was an early ews (5-6x) casualty and is stil rebuilding his confidence - being an old air head i suspect he never will accept CANBUS.

I love this bike.

[thepeacebullgrunt]

Its alright lewellen ! I agree with you for the most part...Its just that I like provocative expressions sometimes...

To me the only stuff that should be repressively handled are commercial spams and sometimes violence or vulgarity...
otherwise subconscious censorship is very efficient, I just read the first line of a post and shift to the next automatically if the previous was weird or "annoying".


"All is needed to make a world"



Quote from Jean Jacques Rousseau eighteenth century Philosopher
Look at him I am sure the guy was born as R1200R rider !

[deilenberger]

Quote from Jean Jacques Rousseau eighteenth century Philosopher
Look at him I am sure the guy was born as R1200R rider !

What kinda helmet is that he's wearing?

[MrChicken]

What kinda helmet is that he's wearing?

Hell, that's what my hair looks like every time I take my helmet off!

[nixdsg]

" I do agree that the post that started this thread is kind of freaky "

I'm not sure if that was in regards to my original post, but if it was, I was very serious. I've been reading about the rear drive failures for some time, and unless it's the same person making the same post and using different names, there have been a few. A lvalid concern in my mind. IThis issue is also published in Motorcycle Consumer News.

As for resale, lost at least 40%, is my guess.

Wheelies being harmfull to the rear ring and pinion with all that power? If it can't handle 109 hp then why did they provide it?!? Did they really do that poorly of a job designing it? Give me a break!

Sorry about the flame war contained in this thread, that wasn't the intent. I was just looking for some feedback on how concerned I should be about the known issues. Thanks for the constructive comments. The rest? Well, I'll let them be.

Nic

[WILDPIG]

As for resale, lost at least 40%, is my guess.
NIX--- I'D SAY YER PRETTY CLOSE WHEN YOU SAY A BMW LOSES 40% OF IT'S RE SELL VALUE THE INSTANT IT LEAVES THE DEALERS PARKING LOT. NOW WHAT MANY OF THE "DIEHARDS" FAIL TO ACCEPT IS THAT THERE IS A REASON BMW'S HAVE SUCH FANTASTICALLY POOR RESELL VALUE. RATHER THAN ACCEPT OR ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUTH --THEY'D RATHER CRITIZE ME. SHOULD YOU BE CONCERNED ABOUT FINAL DRIVE FAILURE--- OH MOST DEFINITLY A LEGITIMATE CONCERN IS THERE. IN THE IRON BUTT RALLY OF WHAT LAST YEAR THERE WAS A CONFIRMED 30% FAILURE RATE OF FINAL DRIVES. OK MANY HERE WONT BELIEVE THAT-- MAYBE THEY'LL ACKNOWLEDGE THIS--- THE EXTENSION OF FINAL DRIVE FAILURE FOR 2 YRS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS PER CORPORATE BMW. BUT U EVER HEARD THE SAYIN -- PREACHER-- YER'RE PREACHIN TO THE CHOIR? WELL THATS WHAT U GOT GOIN ON HERE,, A LOTTA THESE PEOPLE AINT THE LEAST BIT INTERESTED IN FACTS CONCERNIN BMW AN MAINTANCE ISSUES... AN YET IF YOU DIG IN THESE POSTS---- DAM NEAR ALL OF EM HAVE HAD BREAK DOWN ISSUES OF ONE SORT OR ANOTHER.

[nixdsg]

OK, I didn't intend this to be a flame war.

I like the bike, as I said. A couple things have me concerned. Wanted some input. thank you all.

Bye.
Nic

[Caroanbill]

I'm now up to 20,000km (12,000mi) and the only problem is the fuel guage (fixed but still not al that usable).

This seems to be as good as any BMW I've had (now 7) - I just ride it and have never had any cause for concern from the FD or anywhere else. EWS was replaced as part of the 10,000km service as per SB but no failure.

As for 40% drop on resale ... pure ignorance, at least this side of the Pacific. Certainly taxes and charges fall out quickly, but the bikes retain reasonable value. In any event the sharp initial drop plateaus out over years of ownership, though that's perahps a little mathematically challenging for those who shout to comprehend.

As Don D has striven to point out - the actual incidence of FD and other failures is low, despite hysterics. No consolation if it shoudl happen to you, but the chance of that isn't high. Personally, I wonder if all the shouted problems have actually occurred to that particular shouter. Methinks our untamed porcine pal makes it up as he goes along, perhaps influenced by a persistent (and perhaps justified) sense of inferiority compared to longtime roundel riders.

The more I ride, the more I smile and the less I worrry about this bike ...

[hjsbmw]

I wouldn't worry too much about cyber pigs, as annoying and squeeky as they may be. The internet has evolved in quality of content over the years, but it is still a platform for making statements in total anonymity. You don't know who the other person is, their age, sex, whether they ride at all, live at home or in an institution, and so on. Assuming others must be serious just because you think you are serious often leads nowhere.
Although I agree with free speech I also agree with the choice whether to listen or not. It's more a matter of mental hygiene than anything else.
That's my two cents on pigs and ethics, but I'd really like to go back to talking bikes now.

[Bheckel169]

I've had numerous BMW's and most recently a 1200 RT and a 1200 R. I've never had one problem (other than warranty issues which were corrected before they became an issue). Gas mileage on my 1200 R is 45 mpg. I ride at least 250 to 1000 a week and never concern myself with possible final drive problems or batteries. I suppose it could happen and if it does, it will be inconvenient, but I'll manage. It could also happen to my auto too and did with my new Ford 150 after only 1 week.
As to resale value, I don't see this as an issue either. Two years ago I decided to sell my 1200 RT and put it out on a couple of online sites and had someone from the mid-west call in 2 days. He came down by bus, I picked him up and he gave me a cashier's check for exactly what I asked which was in line with values you can find at NADA or other reputable valuation sites. I sold this bike for 15% less than what I paid for it, including farkles. As I have always found, the actual sale comes down to what a seller is willing to sell it to a buyer for and a buyer who is willing to pay the price. Good marketing doesn't hurt either and being patient, not desperate to sell is another key to selling.
Bruce