Comparing: 1200 vs 1150, or ChiTown's Bike Meets Texas

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Comparing: 1200 vs 1150, or ChiTown's Bike Meets Texas

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I jumped at the chance when ChiTown asked me if I could store his bike for a few weeks. it sounded like a good opportunity to help out a fellow board member. But when he suggested I ride it to see how I liked it compared to my '05 1150............... well, I couldn't wait to get an opportunity to show it some Texas roads. So............... the yankee bike arrived in Texas a few weeks ago and I've been taking care of it, making sure it stays charged and unharmed, and giving it a dose of Texas culture while under my watchcare.

Here's my assessment/review of ChiTown's '07 1200 and my '05 1150. It won't be scientific or a mechanical comparison, but it will be fun (and sometimes fanciful)!!!


First, here is the guy ChiTown paid to deliver his bike. Nice guy. Docile watch dog, but huge!

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Here is how the bike was transported. Only bike on the trailer from Colorado to Houston
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The guy made the 1200 look smalll.

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I did what I could to make the welcome to Texas feel special!

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Once time permitted and the weather cleared a bit, I brought both bikes out for a side by side comparison.

Aesthetics


The first unbiased assessment came from my daughter. "Wow. A black BMW. Is it fast, Mom?." "Yes. It has 110 hp compared to my 85 hp" Her reply: "Well, it might be faster, but your bike is prettier, Mom." Sorry ChiTown but the case is closed on aesthetics!!! :lol:

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Personally, there are features of the 1150 which I like better than the 1200, and vice versa. If BMW would have left the instrument panel, fluid reservoirs, and the oil coolers alone when designing the 1200, I think the 1200 would win the "prettier bike" contest in my daughter's mind. I've always appreciated the classy look of the instrument cluster and the reservoirs of my 1150 over all other bikes in it's class. And the oil coolers are so unique on the 1150 - I like them. I'm still not sure if I like the beak better or not. But the 1200 has some aesthetic improvements over the 1150 in my opinion. I like the elongated, sort of sloping "ovalish" headlight of the 1200 better than the 1150's perfectly rounded lamp.

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Also, the 1200 seems to have a bit more angular look which I really do like. The hexhead cylinders add to that angular look. It gives it a very sharp aggressive stance. Sitting together on my driveway, the 1200 looked anxious to move, and move fast. The 1150 looked settled and content. Perhaps that's just my imagination as a result of becoming settled and content with my 1150 over the past 3 years. But look at them side by side: That 1200 looks as ready and anticipatory as a runner in the blocks.

ChiTown has some extra special touches on his bike that give it a unique look. Too many for me to mention and probably some I'm not even aware of. But the immediate ones I noticed were the obvious ones. Those white powder coated wheels are sweet, as is the black handlebars and screen brackets. Nice. And the white powder coated cylinder heads give it an even more distinguished look, pulling in the pin stripes and integrating them with the rest of the bike. The pinstripe accentuates the angular movement of the tank and just dresses up the bike. I like them. And of course what beats BMW black? I don't know if it is the fastest color, but whether it's the 1150 or the 1200, BMW Black is classic!

Those yellow Ohlins are a nice contrast to the black and white of the bike. They caught my attention even before I realized what a difference they make in the ride. They would look so good on my bike, especially since my bike has the golden colored "R" on the tank and the tan seat (not shown in picture). With 27,000 miles on my bike, I'll be needing some of those soon.

I can't decide if I like the telelever on the 1200 better than the one on the 1150. I think the 1150's telelever would look silly on the 1200 and the 1200's would look just as bad on the 1150. The 1200's definitely adds to it's forward angular aggressive appearance. I like it. But I also like the 1150's. So a toss up there.

I do like the look of the paralever/swingarm better on the 1200 than the 1150. Everything about it and around it just looks better. Not owning a 1200, I've not read much about it, so I don't if it is a better design, but it sure looks like it would be.

The aftermarket seat looks good too. It definitely looks better than the stock seat. The only thing I don't like about the 1200 seat is that it is one piece. Personally, I like the 2 part seat on the 1150 better. I like being able to get to things stashed under the pillion seat without having to remove the whole seat. Both bike seats are just as comfortable for me. I've never had a problem with the 1150 seat even after multiple 500 mile days.

Compared to my 1150, I think the 1200 looks more svelte. Black does have slimming effects, you know, so I'm not sure if it's lissome looks are due to it's color or if the 1200 shed width when it shed the weight. Either way, the 1200 appeared a little more lithe and svelte than my 1150. In fact, my 1150 looked a little beefy next to the 1200 I thought.


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I'm sure I've missed some other appearance comparisons, but I need to move on to some fun stuff.



I was taking pictures of the bikes from different angles and when I took a picture of the back wheels, I started noticing something strange. Something that seemed wrong. I had to check it out closer. Look at the difference in chicken strips!!


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I cleaned them a bit to make sure I was seeing things correctly. Yes, I was.

ChiTown's back tire:

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What?? Look at the width of that chicken strip. The truth comes out ChiTown!!!


GypsyRR's back tire:

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To save your reputation, ChiTown, I took your bike out for some rides a couple of times to burn off some more of those chicken strips.

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My test rides were a chance to indoctrinate ChiTown's bike into Texas culture and give me a chance to compare the 1200 to my '05 1150. So a bit of Texas with a bit of review:


First, you should know that in Texas (if you are a real Texan), we always fly the Texas flag if we fly the American flag. AND - we don't fly it lower than the American flag. We don't have to.

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Handling

For my first test ride I headed west to the closest twisties and into the hills.

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I didin't mess with the suspension on the 1200. It seemed perfect for the way I like to ride these Texas roads. The 1200 was smooth and nimble in the corners. In comparison to my '05 1150, I did not notice $5000-$6000 worth of difference in handling in the twisties, which is probably the difference I would have to pay if I wanted to 'upgrade' to the 1200. So in cornering, I didn't notice a huge difference. BUT - the 1200 is not my bike, so admittedly, I was probably riding it a little more timid than I ride my own. In addition, ChiTown's '07 1200 sits a little more upright than my '05 1150, and sits a little higher. That bit of difference is enough to make me realize that a true or honest comparison of cornering can't be accurately assessed.

I also didn't notice a big difference in weight. I know there is a difference, but I couldn't sense it when riding. I think my 1150 feels a little more 'planted' on the road, but I assume that is just because I'm more familiar with it and because the shocks are probably shot! The wind was pretty bad as you can see in the picture of the flags above. Even with the 20 mph winds, the 1200 did not feel lighter than my 1150. I do run without a muffler on my R1150R, so I lose a little weight than the stock 1150. ChiTown's bike had the addition of the Pelican case which adds a few pounds. But still, the 1200 weighs less than the 1150. That did not seem to cause any problem in the wind. They handled the same for me.


Continuing into the west.......



First: A stop by the Oil Ranch. Yes, we ranch oil in Texas:

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And this is the way we make snowmen in Texas. None of that white powdery stuff for us. Nope. We use hay.

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Getting to the hills now:

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Power


I found a long stretch of private road to test the bike a bit:

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No red line there, but a turn was coming up so I had to back off a bit. I didn't get the picture at 133 because the wind was buffeting me pretty badly by then.

I found that ChiTown's bike can do this in 2nd gear:

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The most noticeable and immediate difference between the two bikes was the power and the smoothness. I don't know the technical terms to describe the power difference, so bear with me if I use the wrong words or make this too simplistic. All I can do with my limited amount of mechanical knowledge of the two engines is to tell you what I sensed and what I noticed. The 1200 is much quicker than the 1150. I was warned about the bike coming up in first or second gear if I was not careful. And that was a good warning. The whole gearing is so different than my 1150. If I could that engine in my 1150, I would be a very contented person. I'd have the perfect bike!

I found it a little difficult to modulate the 1200 in first gear. The throttle is very sensitive. Obviously that is most likely something to which I would become accustomed with time. Every gear seemed to be 'long', especially fourth. I thought to myself, there is hardly a reason to get out of fourth gear on this bike unless you are going to be doing upper highway speeds. I often 'feel' my 1150 begging me to shift to a higher gear when I'm around 4500-5000 rpms, but the 1200 seemed to run as smooth at 6000 rpms as it does at 4000. Below 4000 rpms, it felt like I was lugging the engine. I knew I should have written down the rpms at different speeds in different gears, because I have now forgotten, but it seemed I was doing 65 in 4th gear at about 5000 rpms. You guys will correct me I'm sure if I have that wrong. At 6000 rpms both bikes still have power left, but the 1200 made it feel a whole lot easier for the bike. I don't know how to say that technically, but it was real! The only time I even got to 6th gear was when I was testing it's limits (which I never found) on the long private road. Most of the time I stayed in 4th gear. The bike has a lot of power left in it even at 6000 rpms - more than I could use. (okay - a disclaimer - I didn't really have the bike up to 133, nor 120. That's photoshopped as is the wheelie picture. I did have it at 110 though before running out of road.)

Smoothness was the other very noticeable difference. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with the Ohlins versus my 27,000 mile stock shocks. But the smoothness was not just in the suspension. It was in the feel of the engine as well. I don't know how to describe that either, but the bike never felt like it was begging for another gear. That is something I sense with my 1150. The 1200 never felt like it was straining at the higher rpms, giving the bike an all over smoother ride. And the Ohlins - well, they are just superior. I wish I would have had the foresight and knowledge to have bought better shocks when I purchased my bike new in '06. But, it has served me well. Actually - had I not ridden ChiTown's 1200, I would probably not even realize that there could be a better option than the shocks I have now. I probably would not even have realized that mine were mushy. Dang. This babysitting is going to end up costing me some cash in the end, I'm certain!! Shocks are still cheaper than a bike upgrade though.


On with a short tour of Texas for the Yankee bike. Once I got out into the country a little more, I was able to introduce the 1200 to some Texas culture.



These are Longhorns, ChiTown:

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The black and white one especially liked the white pinstripe on your black bike:

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Oh oh, a fight in the corral:

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This black cow thought she matched your bike with the Ohlins very well:

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Sound

Pulling up next to the Longhorns on a back country road hardly traveled, and seeing them not move away from me, it made me pay closer attention to the sound of the 1200. Now this comparison is a little more difficult because like I said, I run my 1150 without a can. My 1150 has a nice throaty sound. Not any louder than with the can, just deeper. But from memory, I think the 1200 sounds less like a sewing machine than my 1150 did with the can on. It sounds more like a bike should. I don't think ChiTown's bike has the stock muffler though. He will have to enlighten you on that. But it has a sweet note and the Longhorns were pleased.


Now to refine the yankee bike with some more Texas Culture:

A stop in Luckenbach, Texas (made famous by Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson) which is now a motorcycle mecca on weekends. Definitely a dip into Texas culture here!! Click the link to see an old video of the song being sung by Waylon, Willie, Johnny Cash, and Kris Kristopherson (classic Texas culture from that era)

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Texas Catcus - bad for mc tires!! I was careful.

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Classic Texas low water crossing. I've seen photos of ChiTown's bike do crossings much deeper than this, so I assumed it would handle this one fine.

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However, the drop off is about 50feet and this isn't my bike, so I opted for this crossing a little further down the road. :lol:

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Heading home I introduced the 1200 to Texas Tea.

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I took a break and gas stop here, and noticed the Budweiser Truck. Not being a beer drinker, I did not know that this was not a "Texas" beer until I was informed by the driver. But it was a good picture anyway, so it got added to the collection and became the impetus for another Texas Culture moment for the 1200.

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Being a little embarrassed about the whole beer debacle, I decided I should find a local beer to cover for my mistake. So once back in Houston, I asked my neighbor if he had any local beer. He offered up Saint Arnold's - made locally in Houston and Texas' oldest craft brewery (whatever that means).

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Getting closer to home, I wanted to take a photo of the 1200 by this old house which has been here a very long time. But................

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The house was no longer there. So the R1200R got to experience a little bit of recent Texas history: the after effects of Hurricane Ike.

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Another Texas tradition: Texans are very proud of their state. They find ways to incorporate their state pride into their decorating. You will see the flag, the state shape, or the lonestar on many homes and in many yards.

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And of course, I had to take a photo of ChiTown's bike in front of a historical marker, and since I always seem to pass by pretty churches on rides, I chose this historical marker. A church built in 1888 in Rosehill, Texas

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Soon Christmas busyness got in the way of more test rides, so the introduction into Texas history and the bike comparison has gone stagnate over the last couple of weeks. I don't know if I will have a chance to resume it. There are so many things about Texas the bike still needs to experience and I would like to get a better assessment of the differences between the two bikes so that I could be more definitive and articulate in my review. Unfortunately time is not on my side and I'll have to surrender ChiTown's bike sometime within the next few days.


I had a lot of fun riding the R1200R. The most impressive difference between it and my '05 1150 is the POWER. Having a chance to ride the bike a couple of times and for long distances has been a great way to test ride a potential next bike. Given the choice between the two bikes, which would I buy? Easy and obvious choice.................. except: I still like my R1150R too much to turn my back on it. So I won't be trading up anytime soon, but when it's time - I think the R1200R is the route I'll go. That's at least 1-2 years from now though and new bikes might be introduced before then. I'll have to hope for another babysitting job when that day rolls around.

Thanks, ChiTown for letting me babysit this beast for the past few weeks. She will be returned to you in perfect condition, and refined in Texas culture!
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Awesome! =D> =D> =D> =D>
Thanks for taking proper care of her, and scrubbing in my NEW tires... LOL :lol:
This is all so strange and yet cool... I can't wait to explore the Texas countryside.
I agree with most everything in your comparison, but I do think that the better handling of the 1200 is more apparent than you did. It's probably a little different whens it's someone else's bike you're riding vs. your own though, like you said.
Thank you for the Texas hospitality, and thank you for the great photo's and thoughts!

back to work.

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You forgot one thing... the chicken strips after your test ride... Don't hold back, we need to know the truth...
(Oh sure... new tires... oldest excuse in the book... ) ;)
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I'm looking out the window at the snow coming down. Haven't ridden my bike since early November.

So, I enjoyed your fine story as I recover from the effects of too much Christnas wine and food.

Gotta hike 1 1/4 miles over to my brothers place and pick up my car now. A shot of Baileys in the coffee may help...I'll be putting ice cleats on my boots so that I have a better chance of getting there intact!

Warm Texas is looking pretty good right now!
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Post by tobes »

Great review and photography Kristi. I have to admit it seems BMW paid more attention to design on the 1150 – it flows much nicer. The 1200 is a wild beast though with the combo of lightness and power. Good point on the difference in how the bikes feel planted. The 1200 isn’t what I’d call a planted bike. It’s a challenge keeping the front end on the ground under hard acceleration. Thanks for the report.
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Great report, Gypsy

but an observation--your bike, iirc, does NOT have the pverdrive transmission and C's prob does. So those sensations of begging for another gear would be more apparent in yours than the 12, or my 1150, for that matter. Seat height?

and your assessment is the same as mine re next bike; when I got the 1150 I found it was the gold standard, finding myself continuously comparing everything to it. When I daydream (about motorcycles) the 12 has the same place.

Is the telelever shorter on the 12 ? can you turn off the abs? Those are Pirelli Scorpions? How were they compared to your z6s.

And for a "true" Texas baptism, you did throw or splatter or splash Texas cow pies all over it, right? That is the mark (or stain) or a "real" Texan, isn't it? That is why you stopped at the cow place, right? It is supposed to smell like that.

Great photoshopping though, I was ready to wag my finger, tsk, tsk; you had me fooled.

But a great report, thanks. Don't hesitate to post more thoughts or rides.

It's 70s and sunny here--must be the same in your part of Texas, right?

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and this is one of the best pics you've done; they could use this to advertise
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Ves wrote:You forgot one thing... the chicken strips after your test ride... Don't hold back, we need to know the truth...
(Oh sure... new tires... oldest excuse in the book... ) ;)
more excuses



OK, OK... so I did ride it, but it was kinda hard to get rid of the strips...
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ChiTown wrote:..................
I agree with most everything in your comparison, but I do think that the better handling of the 1200 is more apparent than you did. It's probably a little different whens it's someone else's bike you're riding vs. your own though, like you said.

-Joe

It was late when I was writing the report (and I had some Christmas wine as well), but you are right Joe. The handling difference is more apparent than I related. Unfortunately, the wind on the most recent ride, the fact that it is not my bike, the seating position and height did not encourage me to ride your bike almost to it's limits like I do mine. Well, I think I ride mine almost to it's limits. The truth is, I probably ride it only to within a meter of MY limits. So, I could not really give a fair assessment of the handling because I test rode your bike as a 'new' bike that belonged to someone else who entrusted it to my care - and in high wind. And it takes a while to get the feel of a different tire as well. I did not really notice the weight difference except when moving the bike around. Weight difference while riding it on the pavement never came into play for me. Plus, I have "sloppy" shocks on my bike right now so an accurate assessment would be hard to reach. Given a chance to go back and forth on both bikes within the same day - I could have done a better comparison, but the time of year just didn't give me that chance. Holidays get in the way of riding!!! Let me take it on the trailer with my bike on an extended journey like my trip last summer and I could do a better comparison. :D


Dr. Strangelove wrote: but an observation--your bike, iirc, does NOT have the pverdrive transmission and C's prob does. So those sensations of begging for another gear would be more apparent in yours than the 12, or my 1150, for that matter. Seat height?
True. I've ridden an '05 R1150R with the overdrive transmission and noticed a difference right away and wished I had that engine in my bike. Now I wish I had the 1200 in my bike. BMW needs to let me design my own bike. I also rode an 80ED Rockster - it's transmission was closer to mine. The transmission differences was easy for me to detect right away. Hyper sensitivity maybe or maybe it's just that noticeable.

The seat height was fine for me. I have two different seats for my bike. The one in the pictures is about 1/2" thinner than the tan stock seat. That is just because it was recovered and lost some of the padding. It's not intentionally made lower - just the normal stock seat. The tan seat has less miles on it because I'm trying to keep it "pristine" in case of resale. Joe's bike did not have the stock seat on it. Joe - what seat do you have on there?
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Is the telelever shorter on the 12 ? can you turn off the abs? Those are Pirelli Scorpions? How were they compared to your z6s.
I don't know the answer about the telever. One of these 1200 guys can answer that. No, I do not believe you can turn off the abs on this bike. I could on the 1200GS I had this summer. I liked the ABS on this 1200 better than those on the '05 1200GS I had this summer. In fact, I didn't really notice them 'being there'. They just felt like normal brakes to me. Other (older) abs bikes i've ridden had a 'feel' to the braking that I picked up. Personally, I've been a non-abs person up to this point because of that. I did not ride Joe's bike into a situation where I "needed" the abs to take over for me (I was very careful with his bike). I feel confident in my own and my bike's braking ability so far, andI don't want the extra expense and worry of abs right now. I know it's a hot topic, but since I'm not in the market for another BMW right now, I don't need to consider whether or not I'll have abs on the next bike at this point.
And for a "true" Texas baptism, you did throw or splatter or splash Texas cow pies all over it, right? That is the mark (or stain) or a "real" Texan, isn't it? That is why you stopped at the cow place, right? It is supposed to smell like that.
Right, but having never met Joe, I wasn't sure how well he would take to the complete Texas immersion. My bike has experienced it.

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It's 70s and sunny here--must be the same in your part of Texas, right?
It is, and it's suppose to be 76 today. Next week looks great also, so far: sunny and high 60's. This is when I love living in south Texas. But there is a reason I left Texas in the summer last year!!!


Ves wrote:You forgot one thing... the chicken strips after your test ride... Don't hold back, we need to know the truth...
(Oh sure... new tires... oldest excuse in the book... ) ;)
You are right, I did! Next time I get the bike out, I'll try to show you the difference. I sold my good camera, so I'm not too motivated with the little point and shoot to move bikes around to get a shot of the repair work I did on his chicken strips right now.

In Joe's defense, his foot pegs are missing valuable metal. It was like that when I received it. I think he must have left it on some roads in North Carolina or Colorado. They've been ground down quite a bit. Mine are still intact. The only thing wrong with my footpegs, is wearing down of the topside from 27,000 miles of use. (I can't believe I'm coming to your defense on this, Joe, especially after maybe earning a little respect on those strips!!) Maybe Joe will post a pic of how he shaved down the pegs.


If I get the bike out again in the next few days before surrendering it, I'll try to finish it's indoctrination and take better mental notes of the differences between the two. Busy post-Christmas issues to deal with right now though.
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Great post, thanks!
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These are Longhorns, ChiTown:
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Yes, ChiTown does need help identifying 4-legged creatures like elk and longhorns. :badgrin:

Most enjoyable post Gypsy, thanks.
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Gypsyr enjoyed your comparison very much but have a question for Chitown: Who makes the exhaust can on your bike?
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red baron wrote:Who makes the exhaust can on your bike?
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Hey Red!
That is a Akrapovic titanium slip on muffler.
Love it!

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Thanks Chitown and how about the skid plate? Is it from a GS and does it fit with a Center stand?
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red baron wrote:Thanks Chitown and how about the skid plate? Is it from a GS and does it fit with a Center stand?
Thanks in advance for your reply
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It is, and yes it fits just fine.
The only problem is the crappy bolts that comes with it. They are what ever you call the inverted hex bolt, and seem to be soft casted metal... very low quality.
I broke off the skid plate off road in Colorado, and sheered off 2 bolts. To fix it I need to drill them out and re-tap the holes on the block...
I would say replace the hardware with hardened bolts if you plan on actually using the skid plate.

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Joe:

How do you have that Pelican case mounted on the rear deck? I am thinking of doing the same to facilitate mounting a transceiver in the case.


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Re: Comparing: 1200 vs 1150, or ChiTown's Bike Meets Texas

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ka5ysy wrote:Joe:

How do you have that Pelican case mounted on the rear deck? I am thinking of doing the same to facilitate mounting a transceiver in the case.


If you get lost in Texas and want some great coffee and food, come over to Louisiana and we will show you Cajun hospitality !


Doug

I'm sure this will horrify some people... HPRC (not Pelican) case is held on by 5 drywall screws, going right into the plastic tail rack.
the install is secure, cheap, and very easy, just takes a electric screw gun and a few minutes.
I could have spent $$ on a givi mount, or other options, but that silver trim on the tail rack is cheaper to replace if I ever sell my bike than the other options...
I will be riding through your area in a few weeks, and very well might take you up on that coffee!


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Re: Comparing: 1200 vs 1150, or ChiTown's Bike Meets Texas

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great write-up!!!......thank you Gypsy......I have some friends in Frisco, Texas and wanted to do a ride there for a long time.......Texas is beautiful.....but it's a very long ride for me from California......now seeing those nice roads and scenery....i have a bit more incentive to just get up and go.... :D
again....thank you!
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Re: Comparing: 1200 vs 1150, or ChiTown's Bike Meets Texas

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Great comparison, Gypsy!

I owned a 2002 R1150R and now have a 2008 R1200R. I find the 1150 has a bit more original look, while the 1200 has a more direct lineage with previous BMW standards. I miss the 1150's oil coolers on the side, the instrument cluster, the reservoirs, and raised front fenders. The 1200 wins on the wheels, paralever, slimmer lines, and somehow the hexhead just look better. Functionally, the 1200 wins on each account and i can understand why BMW made those design decisions (mostly due to weight). I'm happy with it.

Power difference is as big as reported, and the handling on the 1200 is significantly better in my opinion. I had several near accidents when the 1150 tracked straight at low speed before i could counter steer. That is, the bike was hard to finesse between low (no counter steer) and medium (counter steer) riding.

But the best, for my 6' frame, is the seating position and peg position. The 1150 would cramp me horribly after 1hr of riding. I've done 4hrs straight on the 1200 and it's perfect. The old one felt like i was wrapping my legs around a missile (visions of Dr. Strangelove) while the new is like entering a dingle. I even love the much-maligned 1200's seat.

I miss the helmet lock, but not the whining brake servos.

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Re: Comparing: 1200 vs 1150, or ChiTown's Bike Meets Texas

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GypsyRR wrote: I found that ChiTown's bike can do this in 2nd gear:

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Nice =D>
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