R1200R Tires - Pirelli Scorpion Sync DIY

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R1200R Tires - Pirelli Scorpion Sync DIY

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*Disclaimer* I am not a professional mechanic, engineer, or scientist. All these views are just my own observations and opinions, and should be taken as such. I am also not a Lawyer capable of writing legal disclaimers :)







After running 2 sets of Conti-Attacks and 2 sets of Metzler Z6's, I've been looking for a new set of tires. Both had good wet traction characteristics, but the Conti's felt much better and more confident in the twisties.
I averaged around 4500 miles on each of the rear's from either set, and 8000-9000 per front. Maybe a little less on the Conti's..... hard to remember exactly.
I found the Z6's to be quite a bit more expensive than other tires without having much more, if any better performance than the Conti's or Pilot Road's I've run in the past. The were a improvement over the Z4's though...

Since I have found myself riding on gravel logging roads, through deserts, rivers, and various other places I shouldn't be riding with street tires, I have been looking for a more Dual Sport type of tire. The problem is the most popular DS tire ( Tourance) doesn't come in the correct size for the R1200R.
Good thing I was lurking around hear and saw a post by Skippy talking about the Pirelli Scorpion Sync tires. It turns out they do make compatible tires for the 1200R.

I found a set from http://www.americanmototire.com/index.h ... =d117.html
I bought them for about $255 shipped.
A dealer quoted me $354 plus $110 to mount them.
Since I already started doing all my own maintenance this summer, I was also ready to start doing my own tire changes also. I can't stand the thought of paying someone else $100 an hour to do work I am capable of doing.
So after a little more research I bought a Marc Parnes Balancer, adhesive weights, and a Front Axle Removal Tool.
http://www.marcparnes.com/

I opted to buy the balancer that was a little more $, but the BG12 kit has an extra cone and will double as a Universal balancer. Now I can balance any wheel.
It came in the mail 2 days later, very fast shipping.

I tried it out on my old rear tire first, finding out it was 21 grams out of balance. Un-even wearing, or sloppy dealer work?
My new tires came yesterday so I changed and balanced them. Just like I read about the MP balancer, it's very sensitive, and simple to use. I had to close the garage door because the wind was effecting it. I also learned you have to be sure the thumb screws on the cones are opposite each other. Quality stuff, easy to use, and the satisfaction of doing it yourself.

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After finishing mounting the new Scorpions I was ready to head out and try them out. I figured I would head out towards DeKalb, IL.



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The Pirelli's feel real good. After riding with worn out Z6's for the last month, anything new would feel better. Absolutly great on gravel, much better than any street tire I've had. I did some braking tests on gravel, starting out low and ending up at around 55 mph to full-on brake testing. Solid. I also managed to find a road with 2 ( count-em, 2 ) curves that I rode through a few times, increasing speed with each run. I didn't drag any pegs, taking it kind of easy on tires with only 70 miles on them, but I liked what I felt and can't wait to get into some real twisties.

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They feel good on pavement, and are much better on loose stuff than the other tires I had.
How about wet traction? Well, lucky for my testing purposes ( I guess ) it started raining when I was about 50 miles from home, as forecasted. Not a downpour, but a nice steady rain. Enough that I put on my rain gear.
I generally don't test wet traction with pushing the envelope in the corners, but I did test them by doing some heavy braking, and accelerating tests. It took almost full throttle in 1st gear to break the rear, and I couldn't break loose the rear in second at all.
Braking was also great with the ABS not kicking it until I was really grabbing a handful.

So far so good. I like how they feel, I like how they look, I really like how much they cost.
Could have found the right tire for me and my R1200R. :)




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While wandering Northern Ill. I ran across a apple orchard and picked up a nice pumpkin, and some apples. Fruits of my labor?


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This is a preliminary report, I'll know more after a short trip I'm planning next week, and according to the weather Gods I should be testing them out in plenty of rain....

After I get more miles on these I'll follow up here.
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I'll bet I could really scratch my wheels up good changing my own tires.
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celticus wrote:I'll bet I could really scratch my wheels up good changing my own tires.
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Hotel key cards did the trick protecting my rims from me. :)
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Hey ChiTown,

Glad you found some tires for R1200R/GS/Adventure of yours!

I know that Orchard, just south of Malta, we took my son there last year.

I lived in Sycamore for a couple years, so I know those 2, out of the 13 IL, curves too. But I can't remember exactly where they are now. But I can remember being right there in my 1972 Monte Carlo! Man I wish I still had that car too.

Thanks for the tire changing tool info, as I grow my tool collection I will have to include these. :wink:
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Nice write up, cool pictures and cool looking tires that seem to work well for you ChiTown. Wonder how long they will take to weardown. It wasn't me that came up with the idea though but Britguy, I just agreed to him saying the Pirelli's he had on his Buell would be a good idea to make the R1200R more usable off road.

Another thing I noticed in the pictures is your homemade solution to GPS mounting using the SW motech mount on your tank, pictures of this and some info would be greatly apreciated. Still haven't come around too installing a SW motech tankbag myself but as the weather over here is getting worse it is bound to happen someday soon.

Have fun and be carefull with those wet testing sessions trying to make the rear spin up in several gears :wink:
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Skippy wrote:Nice write up, cool pictures and cool looking tires that seem to work well for you ChiTown. Wonder how long they will take to weardown. It wasn't me that came up with the idea though but Britguy, I just agreed to him saying the Pirelli's he had on his Buell would be a good idea to make the R1200R more usable off road.

Another thing I noticed in the pictures is your homemade solution to GPS mounting using the SW motech mount on your tank, pictures of this and some info would be greatly appreciated. Still haven't come around too installing a SW motech tankbag myself but as the weather over here is getting worse it is bound to happen someday soon.

Have fun and be carefull with those wet testing sessions trying to make the rear spin up in several gears :wink:

You're up kind of late, aren't you?
Thanks for clarifying exactly who thought of it! Either way this forum proves to be quite useful again... :)


I guess it might sound a little stupid to be talking about trying to beak traction on wet roads or gravel, but my theory is to know how my bike will handle under any circumstance, before that one emergency happens... it has already paid off for me a few times this year.


Here's a link with the SW-Motech install, before they made the R1200R tank ring:

http://r1150r.org/board/viewtopic.php?p ... ght=#90343


GPS/tank box mount setup:

http://r1150r.org/board/viewtopic.php?t ... sc&start=0
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Very nice work on the Pelican tank box. Thanks for providing the links.

As for staying up late I worked the late shift this week at work so after I come home I like to surf some forums before I go to sleep :D
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I just finished a 2100 mile adventure with the Pirelli's, and I must say they are amazing!
I need to look no further for tires, these tiresare perfect for me.
They are great on the loose stuff, and in the rain. I did a decent amount of gravel/trail riding, and they were so much better than the other "street" tries I've used in the past.
Where they really impressed me was in the twisties in NC and TN. I've scraped pegs once or twice before, but the experience with these Scorpion Syncs I had was amazing. Dragging both valve cover's through 2 states is what I ended up doing with these tires on. The feel of the rolling over while coming into a corner is different, and very good.


Two thumbs up for Pirelli!




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Good greif! Keep those pictures coming. Has killboy got your pictures?
Someone should make special valve covers that will send up a shower of sparks (and not ignite) when dragged across pavement. You should visit the Hot Springs NC area for good roads the next time you are down here.

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Nice to see the Pirelli's are working out well for you. Brake pedal has worn down quite a bit, looks cool.
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Great pictures. I am guessing that you did not have side bags on, or if you did , they were worn away :)

You have helped me decide that they should be my next set of tires on my 1200 R....although having seen them on the Buell Ulysses, I was already pretty convinced :)
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*** UPDATE***

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Since I finally changed out my rear Scorpion Sync, I figure I'd let you know the actual milage.

4700 miles is what the rear lasted me. I could have squeezed another 500 out of them, but at the time I was heading into a big storm and was looking at riding in rain and/or snow for days so I didn't take the chance.
I was glad I did because I rode through the snow storm in Atlanta. With the fresh Pirelli on I made it through just fine.
These tires are awesome.

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Joe, can I change my tires at your place? :lol:
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That's quite a decent milage, thanks for bringing us up to speed.
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OU812 wrote:Joe, can I change my tires at your place? :lol:

Anytime. :)
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Great post.

I have just over 5000 miles on my Conti Attaks and the rear is showing around 3 mm of tread left....maybe 500 miles or so left on them , but I will change early as I am planning a 3k mile road trip.


I just ordered a front and rear Pirelli Scorpion from SandhillPowersports.com..........$239.18 includes free shipping!

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Re: *** UPDATE***

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These tires are awesome.
Thanks for that fantastic review.
If you were riding solely on the road (no gravel, no offroad), would you still choose the scorpions over the conti attacks??

Still waiting for my R12R. Only a few more days to go...


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From what I have seen of Chi towns adventures he is doing more on the road with the Pirelli Scorpions than I am doing with my Michelin road tires. Plus I have been on gravel and once or twice off road and needed more traction so I will be buying the Pirellis.
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eisen wrote: If you were riding solely on the road (no gravel, no offroad), would you still choose the scorpions over the conti attacks??
Still waiting for my R12R. Only a few more days to go...

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I have no doubt I would.



britguy, that's a great price, might have to get my next set at sandhill. thanks.

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Post by Handsome Jim »

Joe - I'd be interested in knowing what kind of mileage you get out of the Scorpions.
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